ThaliaGuen (What i named my Guen because her name is Thalia and is based on Thalia as in my OC Thalia) will then rebuild said reputation or keep it very hush-hush. She IS a legitimately kind-hearted queen who does want to look out for everyone. …Until you seriously make her mad and then you are dead! And fed to her pet. Good thing it takes a lot to make her really mad.
For whatever reason, I have already gone out of my way to decide what Mordred will look like as an adult. Anyone want to see it? If the answer was “No”… Well I’m already going to put up my idea of what he will look like XD
FOR WHATEVER REASON, I DECIDED HE WILL LOOK LIKE SHERLOCK HOLMES.
…I want Dai Gyakuten Saiben to come to the U.S. Like, I know it got released in the Japan on the 9th of this month, But I still want them to give info on a release date in the U.S. for this game, or if it will come at all <.<
Hmmm, so what I think I’m getting in general are requests for:
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option to take violent revenge on Cornelia
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reaction from Arthur (and maybe others) if Guen demonstrates bloodthirstiness
Those ought to be possible. 
All of the above should be true.
Okay, that’s now on the list of stuff to work in if it seems appropriate. It’s a good idea. 
Eh, I don’t imagine that fae animals are any more or less vicious than regular animals. They are, however, intelligent and loyal, so while they might not maul and eat a person just for the sake of doing it, I suppose they might if they thought their human would approve.
Seems about right. I’m thinking maybe there needs to be a “bloodthirsty” reputation stat that only appears on the stat screen when it reaches a certain level (as I’m planning to do with “deception” and “stealth” skill stats).
Would decapitating cornelia and feeding her head to our fae pet be enough to activate the bloodthirsty stat.
Edit: seeing as if commoners or anyone else heard of this they would all fear guen and would constantly be overly reserved to avoid her anger.
Would being bloodthirsty in certain situations REALLY make a giant effect to the bloodthirsty statistic though? I mean, my Guen will only take a very bloody, very vengeful action once so far, since I don’t think Mordred is going to do anything QUITE as bad as what Cornelia does (in my Guen’s eyes at least, and she’ll fairly like him since i’m going to have her spend time with Mordred as he grows up. …And her own kid at the same time maybe too. Depending on the age gap, she may have some odd ideas about making the two friends and them MAYBE getting married because she finds the thought adorable at that point in time). A single, fairly private bloodthirsty event isn’t likely to make a gigantic blemish on the record of a queen who’s so far proven to be kind and level-headed. …Now when there’s accusations of treason, if anyone knew of this they could pull it out as an accusation that her public behavior is entirely a facade (Which it isn’t, she really is like that when she’s not mad and filled with rage.)
(Also i’m close to starting to call Mordred “Mordred Holmes” because to me he now looks like Sherlock Holmes XD)
Edit: @faewkless! That’s why you keep it SECRET! Like, do it in private and don’t let anyone else know about it! Then watch as it gets dragged out of the rug around the same time Guen is being accused of treason.
Doing that sort of thing at all is an extreme decision. She might not be seen as an inhuman monster to oppose at all costs, but it certainly doesn’t make her as a kind person.
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@Fallaner agree with @Elfwine.
And I don’t think you could keep it hidden.
someone would learn of it.
You can’t just spirit away a highborns body and then expect nobody to notice.
There is literally no way to hide it.
I don’t even think magic can save you.
(Especially if you gave your fae pet the head.)
Thus why its a seeecccreeettttt. Since Thalia cares a lot about if people LIKE her, she’ll do her utmost to keep it completely secret and under everyone’s hat. She would HATE to see it leaked to the general public for a number of reasons, and I doubt Arthur or anyone else would try to reveal it if they knew about it, at least in my case because they all really like Guen and Guen is going to be REALLY having people’s support throughout the various parts as she’ll go above and beyond to make everyone like her and to help people (Yet she still doesn’t really support Arthur’s vision [Ironically considering it too idealistic] XD yet in a way I consider Arthur’s insistence of seeing the good in people validated by her and her actions to help people [Minus the “Make me super super super super SUPPPEERRR made and I will utterly END you.”] XD) thus they likely wouldn’t want to tarnish their image of the person who did it.
Anyway with @faewkless posting as I posted this!
In regards to hiding it, it would actually be quite easy to hide her being butchered by simply burying the body afterwards, with her supposedly dying during battle, since she’s GOING to (most likely) die anyway. Or she could be taken off somewhere by Arthur and Lance and swordpoint and they let Guen do whatever she is, with people saying she was questioned then executed for various crimes (against the royalty, at that! Such as assassination during a wedding.)
Also, she’s unlikely to ACTUALLY give the head to her dog. In the end, keeping it a secret would be about as easy as keeping Mordred’s actual heritage a secret, daunting, but not impossible.
@Fallaner I think a Guen who does that sort of thing is going to have the “they” in question seriously question how much they like her. Their image of the person who did it is going to have to adjust for the fact Guen is the kind of person who would do these things, and that’s not a pleasant thought.
Guen is also however the type of person who will go above and beyond to help as many people as she can, even if it takes more work (for example, I’m going to have my Guen help as many people as possible during her defense of Camelot). Does the bad thing she does once honestly outweigh all the good she does? That’s the dilemma they may have to face, and if they want to rat her out for it or condemn her for it they can. She won’t like it, and will likely suffer in silence about it (probably crying in private later), but all she’d ask is for them to just keep it under their hat and not go telling everyone.
If they honestly don’t like her after that one instance of anger and hate, despite her prior relations with them, she might reconsider her own opinions of them as well, since their willing to let this one instance screw over their entire relationship/friendship (Something that I personally hate as well), something that may tie into her outright siding with Mordred and bringing an end to Arthur and all his friends because of the fact they basically damned and condemned her for one act.
But at that point, she’s no longer likely to give a damn about what people think of her at all, and will likely stop helping people nearly as much as she used to do, as she’d feel no point in doing it anymore when despite everything she does one action gets her completely condemned.
Does the sum of several years of being kind and looking out for people tossed aside by one act? If it does… well Guen will be forever changed by what they (and everyone else if they tell people) now think of her.
If “one act” is “acting like a complete psychopath”, presenting as if she did something only slightly beyond the norm is not exactly going to encourage them to think that she’s actually a basically decent person instead of an incredibly good liar.
Would you expect Morgana or Arthur or Lancelot to say it was okay for Guen to rape a child because it was “only once”, to pick something hideously wrong?
It’s one act born out of hate for this one person. Isn’t Arthur the one always talking about seeing the good in people? (Lord knows my Guen is unlikely to be hardening him so that he WON’T see the good in everyone). If even Arthur of all people would want to condemn Guen for this one act of vengeance against someone who has repeatedly caused her problems.
Now then, in regards to the rape edit.
Those two things are entirely separate categories, and not easily able to be compared. One is just a very, VERY brutal murder, something that won’t get mobs of people crying for your castration! RAPE (and this is just for a freaking allegation! Imagine how much worse it is when it is ACTUALLY done!) on the other hand, will (at least if your a guy) the punishments (particularly from a mob of people) are VASTLY different. A brutal murder will ruin you, certainly, but it won’t cause physical harm in retaliation for it, while a rape will. They are INCREDIBLY different. So no, they would NOT say it is okay. It’s unlikely they’ll be completely fine with a brutal murder from an average person either, but Guen is very self-sacrificing. If Guen was a very good liar and nothing more, it’s unlikely she’d sacrifice military strength defending Camelot to protect people, something she will specifically do because she actually cares about them. You COULD say she’s only acting like that to gather support, to which I will reply with “And how would they know she isn’t ACTUALLY like that? There’s legitimately no way to prove either side.”
One who says she is going to fight us in battle.
Also why would arthur and lance carry her off into the forest so that you can do whatever you want.
It’s not like you can tell them you plan to cut off her head.
Maybe if you asked them to carry her off for a public execution lance might be not so worried(scared) but he still might oppose it.
And arthur definitely will oppose it.
And one time doesn’t make it any less scary.
Thats like saying.
“I only cut off all his limbs once!”
It still would scare everyone.
Edit: also even if arthur isn’t 100% scared (he will at least be 50% scared as unhardened arthur is 100% opposed to killing) that doesnt account for everyone else.
Lance won’t like it
Morgana won’t
The people won’t
And any chance of peace with Cornelia’s people might be thoroughly dashed.
Bad idea, certainly. I didn’t say in battle as well, I just said she is MOST LIKELY going to die, predominately because I doubt anyone will REALLY want her alive (if not Guen and Britain, it might end up being frankmarch for her poisoning their sheep, since my Guen did give Tilda the advice about the kitchen, even if she can’t send Lance to help (she needs Lance to pull Arthur out of the fire) or go herself (she needs to go pull Camelot out of the fire)).
Even if they didn’t like it, she honestly does have a bit of a right to it, there’s a reason a death penalty does exist in many places for crimes that are bad enough, and honestly, Cornelia has gone above and beyond a death penalty. So Guen WOULD have a right to more or less demand Cornelia’s execution at the very least if she ever got captured, or going out of her way to have her assassinated if she had too. Even IF Arthur stepped in, while im somewhat murky on things, I’m pretty sure capital punishment was still FULLY allowed back then, because It sure as hell is still legal now and I doubt it was illegal then only to become legal, which means she could legally have her given a death sentence because it is literally the only thing that will work for her crimes (also, life imprisonment is an economic drain, which thanks to her intelligence she’d likely be able to point out to further her case that she should get, even if she can’t have her much more bloody death, an execution.).
Also, in regards to peace. It’s highly unlikely they’d have a peace EVER, which thanks to their relations with Cornelia and everything, Guen could pretty clearly point out as well. They let her husband leave, and they broke THAT peace almost instantly.
Morgana and Lancelot both advocate killing your enemies when they’re dangerous. Beheading Cornelia would be no different than beheading her husband, which they both approve of. They may not agree with the head being used as a chew toy afterwards, but they would agree that killing her is justified.
Yaaaaaay! So at least one person advocating that at least 2 of the 3 won’t hate Guen for wanting her executed! (I never literally planned to make the head a dog’s chewtoy, just putting it on a stake to show what happens to people who continually cross Britain (cough cough make her super super mad cough)
Even if Guen can’t do a very brutal execution, she wants Cornelia executed so that she stops bothering her, and then she wants her head on a stake in front of Camelot’s gate.
There’s a very strong difference between “I want her executed because she’s a threat.” and “I WANT BLOODY VENGEANCE!”
I doubt Arthur is going to see the latter as reflecting “the best of women”.
And no, they are not incredibly different. Both are acts of extreme brutality with no justification except “Hey, I want this person to suffer.” It is very unlikely that a known brutal murderer wouldn’t, at a minimum, become known as terrible (in the original sense) and dreadful (ditto) - those are not endearing qualities. And it is very likely that those who care about humane behavior are going to say “Oh, it was revenge. That means I don’t care either.”
And if Guen is a good liar - yes, it is very likely that she would, because a good liar would be interested in appearing like the kind of person who isn’t a deranged psychopath. That’s the whole point being a good liar - being someone who is smart enough and perceptive enough to get a good reputation based on appearances, but not actually feeling anything.
I’m not sure they’d hate her forever, but it would at the very least mark her as a person capable of and willing to actually go to brutal lengths because “revenge”.
Why wouldn’t be they regard that as calling her character in question? Why would they be willing to just believe that she’s actually a nice person, pay no attention to the unnecessary brutality?
This isn’t about whether or not they could prove it in the sense of convincing a jury, this is whether or not they would be willing to believe that the “kind, nice, self-sacrificing Guen” is the real Guenevere instead of just something she’s done to build up an image of herself as someone who doesn’t do this sort of thing.
If Guenevere simply wants her executed, I doubt anyone on Guen’s side - Arthur included, to be candid - would be more than mildly disappointed (Edit: If even that - Arthur isn’t completely opposed to killing, and Morgana and Lancelot are definitely not antikilling in these kind of circumstances). But “tormented to death, and then having her head fed to my fae pet” isn’t consistent with “The necessities of state.” - it’s the kind of thing you do (being as charitable as possible) to be known as a fearsome person who has no mercy for their enemies and probably isn’t too concerned with treating lawbreakers leniently either.
Being tormented to death and then putting her head on a stake (again, what I actually want done, not feeding it to the fae pet. That was a joke.), could be considered a valid punishment considering the vast crimes she’s done (from trying to destroy Britain by manipulating frankmarch, by disregarding an agreement that resulted in Cornelia’s husband being released, by trying to assassinate the Queen during her wedding, and likely more stuff that will probably come up)
They can call her character into question all they wanted, my Guen honestly would be unable to convince them to change their minds if they considered a liar, and she’d just have to sulk off and cry and wonder why they would think she’s a crazy psychopath who lies to everyone to hide her true nature.
And in regard to them not being incredibly different, they are. In terms of how people react. Again, the very ALLEGATION of a rape in modern society results in mobs of people wanting to CASTRATE THE PERSON ACCUSED OF COMMITTING IT (of course, ONLY if they are a guy), REGARDLESS IF ITS PROVEN OR NOT. The very reaction alone is VASTLY different, which is why they are not properly comparable in terms of people’s reactions.
Sorry.
I meant that arthur would be oppose to unnecessary killingbor killing fotmr revenge’s sake.
Will he have Cornelia given a public execution.
Maybe. It depends on the factors.
And I think lance and morgana might be slightly unhappy with brutally killing somebod.
Alsi I don’t think they will let you put her head on a pike infront of the castle @Fallaner thats psychotic.
Why not put her head on a pike in front of the castle? It could quite clearly serve as a warning to people who would try to screw over Britain as badly as Cornelia tried too. Thusly, simply for the purpose of an example of what happens to people who screw with Britain this much and this badly, it could serve quite well in front of the castle.
Also, this was done in real life as well, putting the heads of some criminals up in a fairly public place (EX: The London Bride in real life for people who were beheaded)
Also, if people hear about this, from a purely tactical sense, enemy morale could possibly lower if they knew that THIS is what Britain did to her enemies. Executed them and put their heads on a pike in front of the castle. And if the morale of an army breaks… Well suddenly you are missing an army because that Army is deserting!