Guenevere (WIP)

‘Me and Arthur enjoy… carrots’
‘And if the Barons get lonely?’

That was really funny. Like Merlin-level laughing magic funny.

Also, why does my dopple-ganger go all ballisitc for the carrot? I almost felt like not giving her the carrot because she wanted it. Or we could play fetch with the carrot!

No not Merlin! My Guen is definitely going to try and save the old fellow if she can, he’s too awesome to die.

Was just thinking of something I would like to see in certain conclusions to the second part and that was if Guen sends Lance to defend Camelot or help Arthur, Arthur should definitely thank her for her decision if things go well with Lance’s re, since it was Guen’s idea.

Aaaaahhhh! Another person who wants Merlin to live!

Mommy @Jeantown! You better not require Merlin to die on us!

It could happen. Maybe. Sort of.

That’s about right. :smile:

Ehhhh… That might be a good way to annoy him, since yes, it’s theoretically an honor, but of course he’d rather be fighting. I’m going to say that Arthur probably uses heralds to carry his banner rather than wasting a single trained knight.

Yes.

As @OtherGrimm says, I don’t think she’ll blame herself or consider herself untrustworthy. Her anger will be directed outward. She has a strong sense of herself and would be unlikely to fall into any sort of victim-blaming.

@fairlyfairfighter Glad you enjoyed those lines. The carrot one came to me at a point when I was extremely sick and depressed, and it cheered me up enormously. :smile:

This is a mystery that will probably never be answered, because I don’t know. Doppelgangers just seem to love carrots, for some reason.

She’ll have her chance. It may be a tough choice, though.

That’s a good idea. If I forget to include that, please remind me! Thanks. :smile:

Nope, it will absolutely be possible for Merlin to survive.

Doppelgangers love carrots because carrots enable you to violate the fourth wall.

That’s my theory and I’m sticking to it.

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@Jeantown

What exactly is Merlin’s job and job description? I’m kinda thinking that someone will assassinate Merlin due to politics.

Also, what’s his age?

Edit: A-are we gonna b-become murderers then? I’m sure my MC doesn’t wanna be hanged.

Can we ask Morgana to make a doppelganger then tell the doppelganger “Hey doppelganger why do you like carrots?”

So Merlin was just performing strange experiments with carrots?

The way you phrased that might not’ve been the best way.

i believe the doppleganger says ‘I don’t know, just give it to me’

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Dear Mommy @jeantown, I have a question regarding endings! Namely, if there will be a few possibilities of outcomes! Namely, if it would be possibly for Guen to die at the end (maybe while killing Mordred personally if they wanted, or Arthur if they sided with Mordred), but for everyone else to live (and allow us to see their reactions to her death and what happens afterwards)

Would it be possibly for a scene at the ending with a Guen standing with all the dead bodies from the conflict around her (either literally or metaphorically in her head), and allow that scene to give a final affect on what she goes on doing? (Possibly with a sword guen who likely would of killed a lot of people holding the weapon she killed a lot of people with)

Would it be possibly for a dark magic Guen to cast some gigantic spell during whatever final conflict there would be, even if that sort of thing would of taken a lot of pre-planning (which could mean you could require substantial tactical skill too in order to do it effectively to affect a large army)?

in non-ending related things, I had a question regarding things Guen could get. Namely, could Guen get her own sword similar to Excalibur (I like using the term sister-sword for these sorts of thing for some reason)? Not the same way naturally, but basically like her own special sword that’s not from the giant (Kinda like a “Good” sword to the giant’s “Evil” sword, to put it in parallel. I know weapons can’t really be good or evil, but the Giant’s sword’s magic is very… bad and easy to abuse, and not every Guen would honestly want what could legitimately be viewed as an evil weapon to use, but may obtain it to control said giant.)? Possibly with its own special effect similar to the Giant’s magical sword effect (and how in some variations Excalibur makes Arthur freaking immortal [In terms of not growing old and miraculous healing ability] {Read: In the Fate series Avalon [Excalibur’s Sheath] can perpetually heal/make Arthur immortal [To a point, she still dies.], and Caliburn [The sword in the stone] had the same effect}) I’m aware an effect like that would be ridiculous, but having a “good” sword to the giant’s “bad” sword that you could easily get as sort of Guen’s special sword (like how Arthur has Excalibur that’s always associated with him) to use, even if they aren’t really a swordy person (They could have it simply for the cool factor or as a status symbol, similar to Japan how people carried Katanas as status symbols or family symbols, even if they themselves didn’t USE said Katana).

Anyway! That’s everything for now!

@jeantown:

  • In part 2 if Guenevere goes to the island to get the evil sword/ to make sure something happens to Arthur will he find out and later confront her about it?
  • In part 6 when Guenevere is accused of infidelity and must choose where her loyalties are, can there be an option for her to say her loyalty is to herself (at least in private)?
  • if Arthur does become “hardened” will he expect Guenevere to start thinking highly of him?
  • you once stated that in part 3 Arthur will make one more major mistake before becoming “hardened”, I was wondering will that mistake result in Mordred’s conception? If so will that be a breaking point for Guenevere to be done with Arthur and become completely harsh or aloof with him?

Not only do I support this theory, I also think that’s an awesome sentence out of context.

Lord Merlin is officially an advisor to the throne.

Not exactly, but sort of, in a jedi-truth kind of way?

Around 70, give or take a bit.

As that would make it difficult to continue the story, I don’t think you need to worry. And even if Guen were to be executed, she’d be beheaded. :smile:

You’re welcome to try, but Morgana probably has better things to do.

We may never know. :smile:

@Fallaner I intend to make many different endings possible, but I don’t know yet exactly what form they’ll take (e.g. posthumous epilogue or what). I do think it will be possible for Guen to die in the final conflict, or for Guen to survive and all the main NPCs to die. Other than that, we’ll have to wait and see – its a long way in the future.

I do have plans for Guen to be able to get a special light magic sword while she’s at Avalon in part 4.

I don’t think Arthur will find out anytime soon, though the drama if he did – epecially if it was years down the road – would be very interesting.

Essentially yes, though I don’t think it’s going to be as spelled out as simply as *choice “Where do my loyalties lie?” #Arthur #Mordred #myself.

If Arthur is hardened, he’ll probably care even less what anyone thinks of him.

Basically, yes. :slight_smile:

@jeantown

How about if the MC has a high dark magic skill? Or if we successfully make Meligaunt a servant and order him to do it?

Oh. I guess it makes sense. Hanging is for common criminals, if I recall correctly. Although do we get to do illegal stuff? (Stealing, smuggling, etc.)

D-does that h-heal your enemies instead?

Also, if the MC hates Morgana, I think that would be the best thing to give Morgana if we plan to insult her. :smiling_imp:

Speaking of which, I don’t suppose we could do a “The Reason You Suck” speech to Arthur?

That’s very confusing.:laughing:

Also, do we decide who gets to be the Camelot Flag Bearer?

Lastly, since noble landholders decide the punishment for captured criminals, will there be a scene in which the MC will sentence a criminal?

Edit:

Since Arthur is going to have sex with Morgana, can the MC order the guards to arrest Arthur for infidelity? And is adultery illegal?

…Why do you keep asking pointless questions? It doesn’t matter who’s flag bearer, and sentencing criminals or ‘doing illegal stuff’ would do nothing to advance the story.

And no, you can’t get Arthur arrested, because the guards won’t know he slept with Morgana. Even if Guen told them, the only evidence they’d have is her word, and they’re more likely to believe Arthur than anyone else.

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That and, Arthur is a male and the king. Guen is the queen consort, which puts Arthur at a higher position than her.

Why would you even want Arthur arrested for infidelity anyway?! If you want to hold it against him, hold it over his head!

I agree. I’ve wondered this for a while and have yet to really understand the obsession with pointless details that clearly wouldn’t matter to the overall plot/characters.

I mean, if people want to wonder and think about it and headcanon stuff then that’s great, but there’s no point asking when the only answer they’re gonna get - the answer they have actually gotten quite a few times before - is probably along the lines of “that doesn’t matter to the plot so probably won’t come into the story”.

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@NJG It takes a lot of time to code interactive fiction. As great as it would be to be able to add a zillion fun little extra options to the game, I’d rather try to keep things plot-relevant and actually finish the game someday (it’s taking long enough as it is). :smile:

As far as arresting Arthur for infidelity goes (also @OtherGrimm and @FoxalypticWorld and @Fallaner)…

One way in which the Guenverse is different from “real” history is that any member of the royalty having hetero extramarital sex is considered treason against the state, because a child could be produced and the royal bloodlines thereby thrown into confusion – royal blood carries magical abilities, which will manifest for Arthur in part 4, and you don’t risk just anyone being born with that power. (That said, it’s an arbitrary cultural taboo as much as a practical one.) So Arthur having sex outside of marriage with any woman (or theoretically anyone who is perceived to have a uterus) does count as treason, as would Guen having sex with any man. (Same-sex affairs don’t fall under the same taboo.)

So, in theory, if Arthur were accused of extramarital hetero sex, and the accuser made a convincing case, the other nobles would have a reason to depose him. It would not be as simple as Guen calling the guards, having him arrested, and taking over. Guen is queen by marriage and not by blood; if Arthur were deposed, she’d lose her own status and power. The most likely scenario is that some opportunistic nobles would rally opposition against Arthur and raise up a king or queen from one of the other royal bloodlines (the most likely candidate being either Gawain, since he comes from the Lothian royal line, or one of the children of King Pellinore, who will appear in part 4). Assuming Guen survived the political upheaval, she’d end up back in Cornwall in disgrace.

Unless, of course, many years in the future, Guen has built up such a huge and loyal following that the vast majority of Britons support her as queen even without Arthur… or, perhaps, if she had already produced a legitimate heir so that the succession was not in doubt; or, just maaaaaybe, if an illegitimate heir to the Pendragon blood were to rally support, get rid of Arthur, and marry Guen. But in the nearer future, a threat to Arthur’s reign is a threat to Guen’s.

So we’ve reached an impasse. Brutal Guen wants to kill Arthur for cheating, and kill the nobles but kind Guen wants to have peace and protect Arthur. But I want to run away with Morgana. With the sword. And after, y’know cough burning England to the ground cough

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Me and my Guen wants both parties to apologize to her (and each other) and get over it. Then she wants to be overly nice to Mordred (I want her to eventually kill him personally, to this effect i wanna know if you can get a 3rd skill your good at/decent at so I can have a tactical light magic swordy guen) to the point he (and possibly Arthur) could get confused on who’s side she’ll take (she can act sweet and kind even when she wants to kill you. She’s kinda scary and I want Arthur and Lance to acknowledge this when she’s inevitably talking about killing Cornelia with a creepy smile on her face. Or killing Cornelia with a creepy smile on her face.)

Also is it possible for Mordred to manipulate Guen, or at least try too (which could mean our Guen plays along to see what he might accidentally reveal, while avoiding doing everything he wants via trickery)? Some people would likely trust Mordred a lot and might end up being manipulated as a result, which would be interesting. Since Mordred is at a distinct disadvantage, manipulation is something he’d honestly have to get good at if he wants to win.

Also my Guen will love her kid a ton too, don’t think I’m excluding her from the guen-love-athon, even Lancelot and Morgana are loved (as friends, not romantically).

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I’d like the chance to try ordering Merlin around, just to witness the hilarious results. :smile:

Edit: Or we could have Guen try to recreate the magic carrots and watch the epic fail that follows. That would be interesting.

Also, random thought: Will Guen’s child (if she has one) get a trust stat too, like with the main 3 characters?

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You can put points into three or even four skills and not be useless. :smile:

That’s exactly what he’ll be trying to do; the question is whether she can beat him at his own game.

Not sure yet, but that would make sense.