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That’s the plan. She can, after all, become a villain.

Morgana really doesn’t like being vulnerable. Although she tends to overexert herself, she also works hard to protect herself emotionally, and she sets high standards for herself. For the most part, she doesn’t care what other people think of her, but she doesn’t want to give them any power over her if she can avoid it. I guess maybe her attitude is something like, “Hate/fear me all you like, but you can’t deny I’m competant.”

Morgana no longer expects anyone to like her or advocate for her. She was Uther’s bargaining chip when he made peace with Lot, and nobody cared what she wanted. People don’t trust her because she’s a sorceress, so she tends to be leery about trusting people. Part of the reason she appreciates and supports Arthur is that he (unlike Uther) does trust her, and treats her like family.

@buggygirl11 Hooray for Conflicted/Insecure/??? Guen! I’ve really enjoyed how the model of non-sexual courtly love contributes to a story where the MC can be asexual; I kind of blundered into that by accident. And yes, a Guen who is friends with Morgana REALLY needs options to talk with her about her sexuality, as friends. I feel dumb for not having put that in from the beginning, but it’s in my edit notes and should get layered in when I revisit part 1.

@WulfyK Might be something to retcon back in if it seems like it could contribute in part 7.

That’s the plan – Guen’s high stat can become competitive with the main NPCs’ by part 5. I definitely want part 5 to include some scenes to demonstrate Guen’s mastery.

@Alexandr_ol Thank you for delurking and sharing your Guen! I loved reading about her; she sounds both classic and unique, and you’ve thought through her motivations so thoroughly! :slight_smile: I look forward to hearing what happens to her in the future. The rest of the game should give her lots of opportunities to develop and change, and to grow up.

To be honest, I won’t know for sure until I finish it. Right now the global variables are whether or not Guen beat back the Franks; whether or not the castle burned down (well, not really down, but the roofs may be burned) in the process, and whether or not British farms/villages were badly pillaged. That may be enough of a combination of variables to distinguish between epic win, moderate win, moderate fail, and epic fail. I might also add a global variable for high vs. low casualties; we’ll see,

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I decided to post my Guen details.

The Ruthless Ambitious Guen.

My Guen is a very skilled swordswoman, has a lot of leadership knowledge, and has a very small amount of dark magic knowledge. She hates Arthur to the point of having zero trust stats. She is in love with Lancelot and she’ll probably kill Lancelot’s future wife. She is also doing her best to gain many allies. As of now, she is on her way to Camelot with Lance to get power. She is friends with Morgana.

@Jeantown

Hold on a moment, I’m not accusing you of hating plot twists and I apologize if I gave some offense.

Perhaps you should hold a poll to see what people think?

Wait, so why do we get the option to get the assassin dagger? Doesn’t that count as war trophies?

And some other questions:

What do you think about my MC?

Could the MC kill Lancelot’s future wife?:smiling_imp:

Can the MC make Merlin an ally?:grinning:

Will there be other opportunities to get the loyalty of the army? And the navy?:grinning:

Medals don’t exist yet, do they?:sob:

What material is the “Merlin Carrot” made of?

Lastly, on the subject of another FF romance option, have you considered Lady Vivien?

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Mordred is steadily becoming a very interesting character to me. Simply because I don’t understand his motives. He wants to be king and is willingly going behind his father’s back to take the throne. I understand he is probably angry about Arthur not acknowledging him but still. What kind of king could he be? He is almost the Same age Arthur, scratch that Arthur was younger when became king. Is the kingdom going to be in a bad state that mordred feels it’s his duty to take over because he knows he can rule better and get Camelot to a golden age? Or is he just on a power trip? And if mordred is not much of a fighter then how is he supposed to get the army to respect him and follow him when he himself is not down on the front lines? He must be very charismatic. Is there any chance Arthur will even consider naming mordred as the official heir to the throne?

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@NJG Hooray for Ruthless Ambitous Guen! I’ll be curious to see if she sides with Mordred or not.

Oh, no, no offense at all. :smile:

That’s a flavor/personality choice. The item itself isn’t stored as a variable, just contributes to personality stats and the reader’s character-building.

I look forward to hearing where her motivations will take her. :smile:

This was originally going to be possible, but as things look now, I think Guen will not be able to kill Elaine directly so much as really mess her up… but that may change again, I don’t know.

Merlin is an ally by default.

I hope so. (though honestly, I don’t think the navy is ever going to matter for the plot.)

Not really. Guen can accrue plenty of other sorts of honors, though.

Carrot. It’s an actual carrot. :stuck_out_tongue:

Vivien already has a committed life partner (Lancelot’s other mom), whom Guen will probably be able to meet in part 4. They’ve been together for a long time and can’t be broken up.

I hope he’ll make more sense when his origins and childhood are spelled out. Of course, my concept for him is always evolving, too, so I may have said some inconsistent things.

The army won’t be particularly supportive of Mordred. He’ll need outside help if he wants to overthrow Arthur.

He can’t. Claiming Mordred as his son would ruin them both; designating Mordred as his heir, while keeping up the pretense that Mordred is Lot’s son, would cause tons of upheaval since Gawain is the oldest son and therefore has the claim.

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@jeantown you once mention that Merlin can die in part 3 based on Guen’s actions, if so will they be direct actions (such as whether or not to save him from a sword attack in public) or discreet actions (such as casting a spell or sending a assassin in private)? Will anybody blame her?

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@Jeantown

Wait, we can side with Mordred??!?!???!!

Well, it increases the cautious stat and sets the “haveknife” as true.. Do we keep it after Book 2?

NJG shudders Should I post the outcome of the Camelot battle for my Guen?

What kind of magic is in that “Merlin Carrot”?

Edit:

NJG removes “getting a leadership medal for the Camelot battle” from his list

Anyway, I don’t suppose being knighted is one of those honors?

“Her Majesty, Lady Sir Guenevere of Camelot, Queen of Britain, Knight in the Order of the [Knight Order Name]”

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Who said anything about destroying Britain? Mordred wants to rule it.

Magic.

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@OtherGrimm

So he decided to ask the Romans because he couldn’t do it himself, did he?

Shouldn’t an actual carrot not have magic?

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An enchanted carrot is still a carrot, just like an enchanted sword is still a sword.

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I have a Opportunist Ambitous Guen
She has high dark magic and okay light magic.
She plans to see if arthur dies in michaelsmount.
If so gain power and try to rule.

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@WulfyK Thanks for the suggestion! :smile: But as @bomsasa said, Insecure Guen is asexual, not aromantic, and has a courtly love romance with Lancelot.

Plus, I don’t really like giving nicknames to my Guens based on their sexuality. (That’s why there’s no Lesbian Guen or Bisexual Guen or Poly Guen, even though I do have Guens that are all of those things.) I don’t know, I just know I’d be a little annoyed if someone defined me by my sexuality in that way, and I didn’t want to do it with my Guens.

…Not trying to insult or criticize anyone who does. Of course they’re just characters, they don’t care what you call them. Just a personal preference, and I’m probably just being a little crazy. :smile:

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@jeantown
Would it be possible for Arthur to name Mordred as his heir? My Guen certainly wouldn’t mind if there’s a good reason to do unless she hates Mordred’s guts.

Being unfamiliar with succession laws of this time period, I am rather curious to know who’ll be the heir: Mordred or Guen’s daughter. Would it lead to a succession crisis or war (and possible foreign intervention, if said state doesn’t press their claim to the throne in the first place)?

Also, nice game you have here. I played this a few months ago, but just didn’t comment. Better late than never.

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If that is true why did Morgana agree to the marriage? Why didn’t she object or at least run away? Why become a bargaining chip to the man/people who doesn’t care about her? In the future if she becomes a villain will she try for divorce?

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@jeantown, inspired by @skulls’ post, is having a divorce illegal in in-game Britain?

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He could name Mordred his heir, but not before Morgana’s other sons. Mordred will appear to be her and Lot’s child, not her and Arthur’s. If Britain knew he was a child of incest that would cause problems. If Guen and Arthur have a child, daughter or son, they will be the heir. I’m assuming the law of succession in the guen-verse is that males are preferred, but woman can inherit if there are no available male heirs.

Even if Mordred came out as Arthur’s son, which again would be a bad idea, he’d be a bastard so he still wouldn’t be able to inherit over Arthur’s non-bastard child, even if that child is a girl. Now if Arthur accepted that Mordred was his son and legalized him he’d inherit the throne if Arthur and Guen had a daughter, but not if they had a son.

Hopefully people were able to follow that. I know succession law well enough to struggle through, but not too well, so I could have gotten a few things wrong, but I’m decently sure that’s the gist of it.

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@jeantown Can Morgana ever forgive Guen for two-timing her with Lance? And if she can, will she ever trust Guen enough to get involved with her again?

Just wondering, because Skanky Guen did just that. Skanky Guen wants what she wants and is rather selfish about it, and what she wanted was Lancelot’s great abs and great sex. :kissing_heart: Morgana wasn’t okay with that, so Skanky Guen thought “I just won’t tell her. Problem solved.”

That said, Skanky Guen isn’t an evil or mean-spirited girl, and seeing Morgana’s reaction when she inevitably finds out will make her feel terrible. (She’s starting to have genuine feelings for Morgana; who is the first love interest that has ever meant something to her.)

And after seeing with her own eyes how upset her relationship with Lancelot makes Morgana, she’d be willing to break things off with him until Morgana says it’s okay. (Not that she’d be giving up on Lance forever; more like “Back off while I ease Morgana into it.”)

But if Morgana never forgives her, I predict that a downward spiral into spite and bitterness is in store.

Please let me know whether I need to plan Skanky Guen’s redemption or start channeling Regina George! :smile:

Thank you! :smile:

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They’ll be more indirect actions, so Guen won’t be blamed if he dies.

Why, yes. Yes, you can… :smile:

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood which part you were referring to. There are a couple of different ways Guen can get a knife while escaping from the ship; it’s stored as a variable for later in case she has an opportunity to use a knife. Whatever knife she gets is nothing special, and won’t matter later in the game.

Merlin magic. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yes. Guen will be able to join an order of knights in part 5.

Thank you! :smile:

She was fifteen, She wouldn’t have known where to run. She also does have a sense of duty to kingdom and family; she was the closest thing Britain had to a princess at the time, and she understood her part in politics. And her marriage to Lot isn’t horrible. It’s not abusive or anything; it’s just not especially great.

Can’t answer that in any way that won’t be too spoilery, sorry!

Divorce as a legal concept doesn’t really exist, but it’s not uncommon for married people to simply separate and stop living together. (Although second marriages are not legal if both partners are still alive.) Especially among the nobility, once children have been produced, the main purpose of the marriage is considered to have been accomplished, and it’s not utterly scandalous if the couple doesn’t see much of each other after that.

Maybe she can forgive, someday, but Morgana already has trust issues, so she’s unlikely to trust Guen the same way in the future. Skanky Guen might get one shot at redemption with Morgana (maaaybe??? still deciding), but she’d definitely have to swear off Lancelot forever… or until Morgana’s attitude changes somewhere around part 4 or 5. :smile: I guess I can’t give a super-clear answer just yet, because I’m not 100% sure exactly how it will go… but it should be interesting!

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@jeantown

We’re… gonna eliminate Merlin? :sob:

I’ll be sure to pick the right choice when the time comes.

At least I’ve something for my Ruthless Ambitious Guen’s war trophy collection.

Is this the correct equation:

Carrot + light magic + dark magic = Merlin Carrot.

WARNING: There is a possibility that the result may be somewhat different. Totally unpredictable.

Edit:

In the Middle Ages, since carrying the flag into battle is a great honor, what would happen if the MC ordered Lancelot to carry it?

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Does Morgana consider herself someone to be trusted? How will she feel after the conception of Mordred if Guen has been a loyal friend to her and a faithful wife to Arthur? Will she blame herself for betraying?

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I doubt she would blame herself. She would know magic was to blame - it’s not like she chose for it to happen. She’ll probably feel victimized, and be disgusted with what happened, but I don’t think she’d consider it her fault.

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