I’m not saying he is. I’m trying to say that this so called “honorable” knight claims to be this,that, and some of this but his actions are doing quite the opposite.
Also if the game doesn’t give sufficient information about the nature of their relationship, wouldn’t it be best to say that whatever is stated is stating their relationship? Even if it looks like deep down they could be strangers?
This so-called honorable knight is being this, that, and some of this - and the vast majority of his actions so far do not indicate that’s untrue.
And I am reluctant to assume that the game not covering something means it didn’t happen, especially when we don’t know most of what happened in the last three years.
Well he definitely ain’t a tremendous knight. All I can say is your actions help determine who you are,and Lancelot’s is what made him that hypocrite.
But in part 2 the game covered what happened in the three year gap didn’t it?
Except that in order to do that you have to exaggerate what he’s doing wrong.
And no, part 2 does not cover the vast majority of the three year gap. It summarizes it.
And he’s doing a lot wrong.
Yeah, it summarized that within those three years
- Arthur doesn’t change (sadly).
- Lancelot stays away from her and sends numerous trophies.
- Cornelia (forgive me if misspelled) is either quite somewhere, or her and her husband had tried to kill Guen numerous times and failed.
- Her and Morgana barely talk and have to send letters.
I wouldn’t say it amounts to same thing. It’s just that how can Lancelot assume he is a great knight when he clearly has his own agenda.
From what you’ve presented (edit) about actual specific things, he barely breaches the point of “Knock it off.” - and yet you’re presenting it as if he’s committed adultery within the first day or two. That is really much too far.
None of that summary answers how much Lancelot knows about her precisely enough to tell what the difference between “nearly a complete stranger” and “person I saw a lot of for a few months before having to/choosing to go away for a prolonged period”.
Let me ask you a question, if you were in Guenevere’s place and experienced all that she went through with Lancelot can you absolutely say that his actions barely breaches the point of “knock it off”?
And a complete stranger (Lancelot and Guen) is someone who you hardly know thing about, and “person I saw a lot for a few months before having to choosing to go away for a prolonged period” that is self explanatory. But it still barely brushes to Lanecelot’s relationship with Guen.
Answering as someone who is obligated to acknowledge that there’s a difference between what I personally find offensive and what merits stripping him of his spurs, Lancelot barely breaches the “knock it off” level - although the kiss in part 2 is definitely in a category I’d be sorely tempted to be angrier than the Guen I play is (I play more forgiving people than myself most of the time).
I’m not going to let the fact I (the person writing this and no else but the person writing this) am a prude* get in the way of the fact I know that flirting is not deemed a sin under the chivalric code.
And it at this point barely even acknowledges most of the people Guen may know well at this point. There’s just not enough information to say whether Lancelot knows “enough”, even if I had a certain enough definition of “enough” to expect him to adhere to my standards.
edited to add:
- When my standard of “acceptable sexual relations” is “I tolerate that not everyone agrees that sex should be between two married people and two married people alone with something almost rising to the point of acceptance”, it would be ridiculous not to use the word “prude” - consciously extreme.
Well when you think of a knight what do think follows that category, something like: honesty, courtesy, valor, honor, generosity, excellence, loyal, courageous, wise, pure, well-spoken, and discreet right? Now at this early in the game how many of these do you think Lanecelot has already broken?Honestly? But yet it barely brushes at the “knock it off” level really? Last time I check flirting wasn’t included in the code.
Ok, I understand your point about your personal opinion and your character, but at the same time I want to see your answer no matter what it might be.
And even at this point if Lancelot doesn’t know whether he knows enough or not then he needs to just separate himself from Guen
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Can we have a hint about the best skill combo to have success (edit: towards peace and harmony) on all three paths?
Or maybe a hint if the following would possibly get me there?
Lance: Frankenmarch with the tip about the kitchens
Morgan: Camolot after she escapes first having seen the army boats
Gwen: Light Magic/Leadedship to Michealsmount
I’m really torn between thinking that Lance might be the better choice to send to Michealsmount if Morgana can’t end up there… Ugh. I’ll probably end up replaying this section a ton of times until I get it “right!”
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Yes, it barely brushes by at the “knock it off level”, because this
But all my heart is drawn above,
My knees are bow’d in crypt and shrine:
I never felt the kiss of love,
Nor maiden’s hand in mine.
More bounteous aspects on me beam,
Me mightier transports move and thrill;
So keep I fair thro’ faith and prayer
A virgin heart in work and will.
isn’t in there. Galahad is living up to the expectations of a good Christian, not merely a good knight.
And yeah - my personal opinion if you ask purely for what I think is that what I believe is inappropriate is based on a harsher standard of “pure” than the chivalric romance standard.
Not sure what you mean by seperating himself from Guen. He has been spending the last three years trying to avoid his desire for her getting the better of him.
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And it failed horribly. I mean try to harder and a little more smarter, (because his previous plan was doomed to failure from the beginning).
Harsher standard? Sush as?
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At this point I’d like to know what you think Lancelot should be doing with the fact he finds Guen attractive. What exactly is restraining it enough?
Harsher standard: While I don’t agree with certain things like condemning homosexuality, I could probably give a rough idea by saying that my views reflect old fashioned Christian norms.
The Guenverse does not seem to share those, however.
Well since he can’t transfer to a different kingdom, or be taken out of the plot, I would suggest he either falls for another girl (which could hopefully be Elaine in the future) or just suffer in silence (it works for some people).
Old fashioned Christian norms 
interesting.
It’s not a perfect comparison - I’m an agnostic with leanings towards faith that don’t really translate into Christianity- but I am a teetotaler, at best grudgingly okay with sex before marriage, and in general I probably sound like someone born a couple generations before 1986 rather than in that year.
I may be tolerant of far more than “conservative Christian values” implies - but being okay with homosexuality f’instance has more to do with my social values (that justice for everyone means everyone) than my sexual ones.
But if you really want to hear me ramble, PM me.
We all have our opinions and beliefs, whatever you believe and feel good about is all that matters.
Question? After this long and interesting debate what do you think about Morgana and/or Arthur
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Any argument I could make to that would be almost as boring as it would be likely to offend.
Sufficient to say, to return to the real topic, I’m waiting to see how Lancelot handles Elaine before committing to judging if he’s a man capable of behaving rightly. At that point he no longer has the excuse of the fact we all stumble.
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When Elaine comes along hopefully Lancelot can do right. The spell will be broken ( depending on some people’s choices) so I wonder how differently he will react to Guen.
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To answer your question on the other two:
Morgana: Morgana is a very, very good example of why I find strong, competent women extremely attractive.
Arthur: Whoseagoodboy? Whoseagoodboy? I have a soft spot for dogs and men (I am straight & male IRL, but I tend to play female characters, so it alternates between “platonic” and “romantic”) who remind me of why, but he’s still a bit of a puppy and not a full grown canine. Charming, but more maturing (not necessarily hardening) will be good.
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Morgana: Yeah she definitely is my favorite character.
Arthur: (headache forming) he definitely needs to mature and hardened quickly. I’m surprised the kingdom is still up and running with him in charge.