Guenevere (WIP)

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So if someone tries to rob you seven years ago and then later they come back you’re going to be completely unworried.
Paranoia exists cause sometimes its right.
Sometimes the hunch is correct but only when its grounded with some reasons.
Does diplomatic guy and his government have some ill intensions for you. Possibly.
Is there an overarching conspiracy by multiple world powers to make you lose your favorite shirt.
Hell no.
And about the dresses part.
Yea thats pretty obvious to me.

A.Never ever ever implicitly trust killers, thieves,etc some of them don’t get in it for their sunny personalities.
B.Why oh why do you ever bring sheep into a castle.
Oh wait they like sheep then by the gods bring in all that you can /sarcasm
C. Also how the hell did he get my hair. Oh wait… he took my stuff…from my room…and no one saw him
What were the security doing.(I swear to god if I hear catching sheep)
D. Your sisters pretty smart seek her advice often.
Wait a minute… doesn’t he have advisors or something

Sometimes I feel like I have to suspend logic when I enter arthur’s mindset.

I can’t even imagine smiling at the fact that the guy who tried to kill me. When I was a kid no less.
If he can see someone thats significantly smaller, weaker, and kess experienced than yourself and say that you will kill them for power you are corrupt.

Also who gets excited and happy to meet someone who tried to kill them.

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If someone tries to rob me seven years ago, and I later see them (note that all of these are relevant):

in a very different situation than the one that was there seven years ago,

in a position of trust by people I have no reason to suspect would hire a thief to fill this position,

and I have no reason to assume they’re a habitual thief or anything else dangerous except one incident several years ago

I’m going to treat them as a normal human being that probably isn’t a threat to me unless I actually have an reason to be suspicious based on their behavior in the present. I might look for such signs - but I won’t assume they’re there just because there’s no reason they wouldn’t be.

I’m not going to assume someone I had a positive encounter with seven years ago and know nothing about other than that is a friend who I should trust regardless of the situation in the present, either.

I’m going to evaluate if a virtual stranger can be trusted based on what information I have about what’s going on now, and have the usual precautions in place as far as simply that people who might wish me ill exist around (thus referring to Sir Maris and Sir Bretta).

As a ruler, I might take greater precautions than I would as who I am IRL, because more people are interested in doing ill to kings than bronies, but that’s another story.

Paranoia exists because people are irrational and consider “safe enough” to require steps beyond prudence - whether it actually does or not.

And we have no reason to suspect the Franks - who would benefit greatly from being honest here - intend ill, simply because “sure it’s possible that people are complete scum”.

It would not make sense for the Franks to have Meligaunt in a peace delegation unless one of two things are true, and one of them is definitely that he - at this time, at least - has peaceful intentions.

As for excited and happy:

I suppose being diplomatic as opposed to provocative is difficult when endorsing paranoia, but I think it might help to imagine why Arthur might consider being diplomatic a good idea in the situation Britain is in instead of just assuming he’s incapable of logic.

I’m usually a pessimist - Morgana sounds a lot more like me than Arthur does - but I think this notion that Arthur is doing things without any logical basis is not any way to actually understand Arthur.s values or choices. Making sense of him by assuming the worst will be about as successful as making sense of Morgana by assuming people are incapable of doing anything hurtful.

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Y’know maybe its not Meliguant… maybe its just the stuff arthur does in general that annoys me.
Doesn’t tell me assassin is after me and that he scorned the hell out of the leader of a nation.
Steals from merlin.
Overly chivalrous(isn’t bad just annoys me)
Willing to sacrifice his life for a 1% chance at world peace.(isn’t bad just dangerously altruistic and also makes him easy to manipulate)
That thing with the sheep.
Saying sheep eat necklaces
Not asking me if I want bodyguards.(basically any instance where he makes a decision for me and completely ignores my input)
(Wait my input ignored completely is the foundation for the whole wedding) that isnt his fault though.
Uses magical stone he stole from wizards for…fireworks
Also why is arthur going to face Meliguant…alone…
When he has a low chance of winning.(just curious)

Sometimes he is either.
Ignorant
Naive
… not to say that he is all bad.
Besides I have a problem with merlin too
But that has more to do with the Deus exit Machinima trope.

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Okay, I just have to ask.

First you complain about Arthur being unconcerned with security. Then we have the fact Guen has bodyguards whether she wants them or not said as if it’s a bad thing - or “any other decision he makes for (Guen)” - I’m not sure what exactly you have in mind here, since Arthur as king does have authority over Britain and Britons (including his wife).

What possible decision on Guen’s security wouldn’t be used against him?

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The security of the castle.
Having two warriors wartching me almost all day doesn’t mean Meliguant isn’t somewhere else up to whatever the hell he is up to.
It just means ge isn’t currently harming me
Also ask me if I need bodyguards in a castle.
So your saying that someone is capable of getting past the walls and moats and all 3 guards to get to me? So what I can use darkmagic/whitemagic/swords/already knew you were coming cause tactician.
I mean outside and on the battlefield fine
Following me around the castle. Are there no guards within 100ft?
Which begs the question.
How many guards are in that castle?
We never know how many people are guarding the uber important house of the king and queen.
I am curious.

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So do you want Arthur to have guards stationed to protect Guenevere or not?

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I’d prefer if he asked me
And the question was how many guards were even watching the castle.
And how in the hell did Meliguant so easily sbeak into our room.
And why is it that when meliguant start his scheme no one says hey you group of five guards go get Meliguant. It just feels like the castle is lacking some guards.
Like say watching the royal chambers
Guens room should have 2 guards on a revolving post. Not bodyguards to watch guen.
Guards to watch her room.

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Bodyguards to watch Guen are considerably more useful at protecting Guen from most threats than guards standing outside her room whether she’s in there or not.

I’m not going to say guards doing that are useless, but there are more useful things than having them stand outside the door at all times.

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Thing is, Arthur’s ambition is to make the world a better place, and you can’t do that by turtling up and trying to keep every potential threat at arms length. Arthur shouldn’t implicitly trust Meligaunt, but he shouldn’t implicitly trust anyone. On the other hand, as long as Arthur’s trying to make peace with Frankmarch he’ll need to work with some of Frankmarch’s agents. Inviting Meligaunt in and treating him as an honored guest is the only real way to move forward, and yeah, Arthur’s optimistic about it, but I don’t see any way that changes the underlying situation or Arthur’s behavior towards it.

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And the “people who can say things I want to say better than I can” list gains another user.

Interested in cookies and/or hugs?

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I find both delightful.

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I’m no advocate of keep everyone away in when I run a country.
Unless im Switzerland.
But don’t hug them.
I opt for the hand shake
Armslength=/=Handshake=/=Hug
Handshake them.
And if they stabbed you in the past.
Feign a smile while youbare on your guard feign ignorance of any possible danger but plan.
Hell just tell the guards.
If A happens do plan 1.
In fact staying with Meliguant and my guards 24/7 appeals to me I can watch him myself and the guards can make sure he doesn’t eviscerate me.
Arthur hugs everyone
I shake their hands and maybe feign a smile while wearing some mithril.
And Switzerland pushes them away.

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::hugs with much glee!:: :smile:

Finding suitable cookies may take a bit longer, depending on your preferences.

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Uh, edible? hugs back

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I’ll see if I can find some chocolate chip ones. Chocolate chip is pretty safe.

And while talking about stuff: I’m not sure if it’s just me, but I think it’s telling that while Morgana’s reaction to the sheep is “Arthur, I love you dearly, but never do something this stupid again.”, it doesn’t seem that Meligaunt being here (Camelot) particularly worries her.

Meligaunt poking around Guen’s room, yes, but I think if she meant “Arthur letting him in here at all was a mistake, and this just seals it.” she’d have responded more strongly.

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@faewkless

In your debate with @Elfwine and @Foelhe, are you trying to say that Arthur should be prepared for anything?

For example, telling the guards to be more alert, etc.

Or are you trying to say that Arthur should have a plan/plans regarding what happens when A attacks B, if C gets killed, etc.?

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Im saying Arthur should have plans and general ideas to do for some set things
Meliguant attacks guen someone kills Meliguant.
Im just saying even if you forgive Meliguant up your guard when important political ambassadors come thats something you do. Have plans for what happens when something else goes down
It’s stupid to assume nothing bad might happen attempting diplomacy its not as simple as 2 people at war making peace.
Think about the 3rd parties
Artgur planned as far as meeting with Meliguant to discuss peace nothing else.
No thought that hey foreign ambassador and meeting might be a perfect time for eould be assassins and such.
So yes to plans.
Anything can happen and nothing can happen.
Prepare for some bad outcomes at least and hope for the best outcomes.

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@faewkless I think the main thing you are forgetting is that Arthur did not knew that Melligaunt is so powerfull dark magic sorcerer.
As far as Arthur, or anyone, could assume. Melligaunt is just a strong warrior.
And for that possible threat, Arthur was prepared, and have precautions.
It was small Frankish delegation versus full contingent of armed soldiers and guards in the castle and bodyguards protecting Queen personally. (sir Marris and Bretta, all the guards that are present fighting with doppelgangers later, the guards protecting room from the outside of the windows from outside threat (mentioned in first book))
There were no Guards protecting doors to rooms, because protecting person is more important. There were no indication that official delegation from another country would reduce themsleves to be simple thieves.
Arthur did planned for some bad events that may happen, but not for the one particular that did happened.

The castle was secure against potential attack of one vengefull warrior or outside force, not from potential attack of a powerfull sorcerer. And that i think will be the thing that will bother Arthur and make him hate himslef for endangering Guen (ofcourse apart from his choice to pursue wrong Guen)
And my Guen will then want tell him that it wasn’t his fault and no one could have predicted what happened, when consoling him :slight_smile:

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Personally, I think the whole situation around Meligaunt being an ambassador deserves more consideration than it received. Does Frankmarch know about the history between Arthur and Meligaunt? If they do, then how is Meligaunt’s appointment to this diplomatic position supposed to be taken? Is this a threat or an insult? Do they just know Arthur well enough to know he would take it as neither?

Also, Elfwine, I think you’re being a little forgiving of Meligaunt. If someone tried to murder you, I would consider you a little naive if you weren’t at least slightly cautious of him in the future. You wouldn’t have to be any less welcoming, but seriously, just ask someone to surreptitiously keep an eye on him or something. Hell, I do think it should be common practice to have guards posted to keep guests away from the royal suites, at the very least in case they get lost, but also so that strange men couldn’t just hide in the Queen’s bedroom and wait for her.

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It’ll be interesting to see how a hardened Arthur acts in future installments. I wonder if @faewkless will find those interactions more palatable?

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