Guenevere (WIP)

@Ponku Oh noo, don’t even mention TV series it was terrible I watched a few first episodes. That was completely abstraction comparing to the books, I have to wait a three/four episodes to watch something what actually happend and it’s in some way linked with books :’( . You are right in this one I want to forget everything I saw :wink:

This game is really interesting! :smile:

Although I don’t know much of the Arthurian legend (where I’m from we don’t study it, at all), I think that this game will make it much more known. It’s fun and didactic (it does wonders!), and I’m just in love with it. :relaxed:

Also, I have been reading some past posts, and I have a question: if Guenevere has a son/daughter, and Mordred takes over Camelot, what will happen to them? :open_mouth:

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I’m just going to stay out of the Witcher discussion for now… except maybe to say that I would give a lot for a game with Witcher graphics and music, Bioware writing, and the Divinity:Original Sin combat system.

@buggygirl11 imo Star Wars isn’t science fiction; it’s fantasy with a window-dressing of technology. KotoR is well worth playing. I’d second @Ponku’s suggestion that GoG would be a good place to get it, because it would be updated for Windows 8. I’ve never had a problem running old games from GoG. Anyway, back to Guenevere… Arthur should indeed have some “What the Hell, Hero?” moments; he’s anything but perfect… but I hope that, unlike BBC Merlin, there will be fewer of those in my series as time passes, rather than more. And thanks for reading the FAQ! I’m still figuring out exactly what Evil Morgana would be like, other than that she’ll probably side with Mordred in the final conflict. I don’t think she’ll be much like BBC Morgana. As for what could make her go that route: well, for one thing, people will start to trust her less and less the more powerful she becomes. When Mordred’s parentage finally comes out, people will, of course, blame her more than they’ll blame Arthur – she’s the sorceress, after all; she must have used some scary magic on him. That will be something of a tipping point, I expect.

@poison_mara Totally agree that that’s what makes RPGs so great. People are different, and different things are going to be meaningful to different people. Let me know if you achieve the truly evil Inquisition playthrough; I agree that I’m not sure it could be done. Inquisition is an engrossing interactive story, but the actual roles you can play took a back seat to the storytelling, I thought.

@hild Seriously! Siding with the demon was horrific, and killing off 2/3 of my party at the end was no fun, either. I mean, I’m impressed that the PC could genuinely be that evil, but I felt terrible afterward. I never did an evil playthrough of KotoR (so I missed out on the full HK-47 experience, but I’ve watched videos to make up for that). Interesting that you found a difference between renegade M vs F Shep… My abandoned renegade was mshep; maybe I would have liked a renegade fshep more?

@Needy Thank you; I’m glad you enjoyed the game! :slight_smile: Someone lent me a copy of a Bernard Cornwall book once, but I never got a chance to read it… maybe someday. Anyway, there are so many different versions of Arthurian stories that just about anyone who likes fantasy or history can probably find something to enjoy somewhere. I’m happy that you liked what I did with the characters. I’m not sure I understand your first question (“are we get a chance to influence a background of ouer MC”), but if you mean, can Guen make the other main characters change over time, the answer is yes. As for other romances, I’m not planning to add any more romance options (other than Mordred) until I’ve finished the whole thing, but I might work some more in later. I’d like to add another f/f romance, and… I haven’t admitted this on the forum yet, but I’ve been fleshing out personalities for some of the “background” knights, and Kay is starting to seem like he might be an appealing romance option. But that’s a project for he very distant future.

@GloriaRose I think that would depend on how “hardened” Arthur is, and perhaps on Lancelot’s feelings toward Guenevere, too. (Lancelot will always side against Mordred, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he wishes Guen ill.) At the very least, Guen and Mordred would be exiled… would Arthur be able to have them executed? Depends on what sort of person Arthur has become by the end.

@SaucyMinx There are actually like a gazillion different Elaines in Arthurian legend – Wikipedia even has a disambiguation page just for Arthurian Elaines! My Elaine is going to be a combination of Elaine of Astolat and Elaine of Corbenic. She’ll marry Lancelot no matter what, and they will have Galahad together no matter what, but Guen will be able to influence Elaine’s life and happiness. Traditionally, Elaine of Corbenic tricks Lancelot into fathering Galahad, but that won’t be happening here.

@Lycoris Thank you! :slight_smile: I’ll be very happy if the game introduces more people to Arthurian legend. If Guen has a child and Mordred takes over Camelot, the child’s fate will depend on a lot of different factors. Guen’s child may actually ally with Mordred (or not, depending on circumstances and the child’s personality). If the child fought against Mordred, Mordred might have the child executed, unless Guen intervenes.

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Jeez, all the trickery just to have children. . .
Man, my Guen is going to have a rough time going forward between all the children,spouses, e.t.c. her love quadrilateral is going to be a vortex of confusion lol.

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@jeantown
1a) Will Guen’s treatment of Elaine influence which side Galahad takes?
b) Will it affect his relationship with Guen’s child?

  1. Would it be possible for Guen’s child to escape into exile after Mordred’s victory?

  2. Currently, Guen can tell Lance that she’s into women only if she really is.
    a)Could you add an option for her to lie to him on that?
    b) Would this lead to Morgana or any other female character trying to seduce Guen later in the game?

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if i’m in a poly realtionship with arthur and lance can i invite elaine because i’d just feel so bad leaving her out😔 and it would be an insanley forward gesture of goodwill that i just couldn’t pass up😄

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@SaucyMinx Yeah, traditional Arthurian lit seems to be obsessed with women tricking men, and the result on more than one occasion is a child. I’m hoping to remove most of the trickery and still have the giant soap-opera vortex of confusion. :smile:

@WulfyK yay, questions! :slight_smile:
1a. Galahad will actually have his own special role to play in the final conflict. He won’t take either side.
1b. Maybe the more telling question would be, will Guen’s child’s relationship with Galahad affect what the child chooses to do at the end? The answer is… maybe. (: Guen’s treatment of Elaine might affect how Galahad views Guen, but he’ll form his own opinion of Guen’s child.
2.Probably. It would make sense.
3a. That actually picks up a discussion from a little while ago, and I’m curious to hear what other people think…

I don’t remember now who suggested hiding some of the opportunities for Guen to say that she’s romantically interested in Lancelot if she really isn’t interested in him (especially if she’s a lesbian). The argument was something like, “My Guen would never think that, so why do I keep getting the option to say so? It’s immersion-breaking.” And I agreed that they could probably be toned down.

But what if, for some reason, Guen wants to lie and tell Morgana she’s interested in Lancelot even though she’s not? (Maybe just to mess with Morgana for being such a busybody?) If I hide the option because the reader has established a lack of genuine interest in Lancelot, then I take away the opportunity to lie.

As things stand, it’s the reverse of the currently-gated option for Guen to tell Lancelot she’s a lesbian. Right now, that only pops up if Guen has expressed genuine (internal) interest in women. Should I un-gate that, and make it an option to lie? I’m sure some people would find such a lie interesting. I think my initial reason for hiding it was to prevent readers from thinking, “Why am I getting this when my Guen isn’t a lesbian – it’s immersion-breaking!” But now I’m not so sure. Of course, I could add some overtly tagged (lie) options. Which is probably what I’ll do.

Anyway, back to the questions…
3b. Probably not (as much fun as that might be), because Lancelot wouldn’t run around telling people that the Queen is gay. He’d consider that her business. Nor is Morgana the type to make the first move.

@Tanniv Elaine will know and accept the truth of any involvements Lancelot has outside of his marriage, so in that sense, it will be a de facto poly relationship. She won’t want to have sex with anyone else, though, for reasons that will be made clear in part 4. But she wouldn’t be offended by the invitation, so maybe I can include a chance to ask. :slight_smile:

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@jeantown
3a) It is possible for Guen to have lied or tricked before, so marking the choice as a lie for a straight Guen would be best, as otherwise some player might believe that it was an actual choice orientation.

I think there are many reasons why a straight Guen would do it. Perhaps she wants to mess with Lance or perhaps she thinks that this would be the best way to make him stop his advances.

  1. You said that Elaine won’t want to have sex with anyone else, does it mean it will be possible to coerce her into a three- or foursome? :open_mouth: :worried:

@WulfyK I think @jeantown mentioned somewhere that all sex in the game is consensual.

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@Owlet Except between Arthur and Morgana?

@WulfyK I didn’t even know there was such a thing as a foursome. We learn something new every day.

@jeantown So I know you won’t reveal the gender of Guen’s child until he/she arrives. But I do have one question: Will the gender be the same regardless of the father?

I thought that that’s consensual but a genuine mistake (judging from their reactions after it). The specifics of it have yet to be revealed but both parties are understandably upset about it. My assumption is that they were probably intoxicated and weren’t fully aware of who they were having sex with.

@Jeantown Does choosing a fae cat or dog make any significant plot changes in the future? Can you please tease us a little and tell us about how Sir Kay is developing?

@jeantown Now I understand, Male shep is terrible compared to femshep in being renegade. It is like almost the only universal agreement in all biofan community jen hale even did some parody about it in interviews. Really watch a video of her renegade speech and compare. The stupid big jellyfish is amazing in first game

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@WulfyK Marking as a lie it is, then – assuming I can make it all work, but I probably can. I agree; it’s not so strange to think that straight Guen might lie about that. As for question 4 and nonconsensual things… (also @Owlet)

content warning for discussion of nonconsensual sex

to clarify: Guen will be able to consent to any and all sex that she may have in the game. She never has to have sex with anyone and will certainly never be physically forced to have sex with anyone, or anything even close to that.

Although the spell affecting Lancelot is physical and not mental, some readers will consider sex between Lancelot and Guen to be nonconsensual while the spell is active, because he does seem to be confused by it. I’m going to leave it to the individual reader to decide about that.

The sex between Morgana and Arthur should be the only instance of unambiguously nonconsensual 100% unwanted sex. As many people have deduced, they’ll be affected by magic. The sex won’t be described; Guen will only find out about it after the fact.

Other than that, there may be some situations that would count as coercion. Arguably, Arthur (or anyone) pressuring Guen to have an heir could count as coercion, but, of course, Arthur also backs off if Guen makes it clear she doesn’t want sex. But what about Morgana’s marriage to Lot? (Or any arranged marriage?) Does that count as consensual? Lot has never physically forced Morgana to have sex, but she wouldn’t have chosen to marry and have children with him if she hadn’t been obligated by family and politics. Lancelot’s marriage to Elaine will be under comparable but different parameters, and will raise some of the same questions.

But no, I don’t plan to make it possible to coerce Elaine to have sex with anyone other than Lancelot. I hope that once you meet her, you’ll see why.

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Sorry, not gonna answer that; too much spoilering. :smile:

I don’t have any substantial plot differences planned right now, but that doesn’t mean there won’t be any. I wouldn’t want that choice to affect Guen’s success or failure in anything, but the choice of pet could potentially provide some different advantages in some as-yet-unforeseen situation.

(For anyone who doesn’t know, Sir Kay is Arthur’s older foster-brother.) I’ve always wanted to make him different from the loutish idiot in Disney’s Sword in the Stone. At the same time, Kay is best known for being super-critical of everyone else. He’s also remembered for being Arthur’s seneschal. As my concept of him has developed (because I’m planning to give him a more substantial role in some upcoming stuff, and then maybe go back and work more of him into part 1), I’ve imagined Kay as having a great head for numbers and economy, and generally getting frustrated with people who don’t see things in those terms. He can be critical, often offensively so, when people refuse to look at the simple math of a situation. (Though he’s not going to be the House/Sherlock/Sheldon Jerk-Genius trope; I’ve had enough of those characters to last a lifetime. Kay isn’t a genius, and he’s not socially stunted – if he says something offensive, he intends to offend.) He’s not jealous of Arthur at all, but he did tend to give Arthur a hard time when they were growing up together, so he’s still a little worried that Arthur hasn’t forgiven him for that. The two of them understand each other but aren’t super-close. Kay sees Arthur’s unexpected kingship as an opportunity to apply his economic expertise on a larger scale, and thereby do some good. He’s not without ambition, but he has no desire to be king himself. And all of that will probably change as I actually drop him into the narrative and see what he does. :slight_smile:

@poison_mara I should have thought of that. Jennifer Hale is the superior voice actor in all respects, as far as I’m concerned.

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@Jeantown

He seems like he would be hard to win the affection of, but not hostile - just more aloof from friend-making than (I can’t help it) Wart and perfectly fine with being left to his facts and figures instead of seeking popularity.

Also, a very “With all due respect.” sort of guy. Not snarky, rather a matter of respecting the forms and tone of polite address even when not convinced the person he’s dealing with deserves much respect.

@jeantown Ugh…I just had an upsetting thought. If Guen never sleeps with Arthur, does that mean that his first time will be with Morgana? That is…one of the more traumatizing ways to loose your v-card.

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Poor Mark Meer. He’s not completely terrible, but Jennifer Hale is so much better.

@jeantown - I was thinking that maybe a good place to sort of bring him into the story more is during the Camelot branch and have him help Guen assemble troops and weapons. Unless he went with Arthur, in which case, never mind :flushed:

If our Guen is with Lancelot will we have the option to make sure Elaine is alright with the affair once we’ve learned she knows of it?

Okay, okay, I haven’t been around in a while due to work/family/swtor eating my existence but I appreciate that when I shoot back, I see mention of my ONE TRUE ARTHURIAN LIT DREAMBOAT HUSBAND, SIR KAY (Arthur and Lance are lovely but they’re not ~Kay~, he hits all my biases for male characters when he’s done right) I will be over the dang moon if/when he appears and am buzzing that he gets any scenes at all; I thought for sure he’d be a backgrounder!

He’s always had a soft spot in my heart because he and Guinevere in a vast amount of Arthurian books I have read have been friends and gotten along, even in ones where Guinevere is a ‘bad person’ (though usually in those, Kay liking her is supposed to show that he’s an ass too) and since Guinevere is my favorite, anyone who was nice to her was in my good books. (And then Idylls of the Queen solidified that soft spot into stone cold rock love).

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

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