Oh my gods, Guen X Morgana art?!?!?!!! 
I literally squealed for like twenty minutes, itâs so cute and good 
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@alliebee Lancelot will accept right from the beginning that if Guen has a child of his, the child will have to be raised as Arthurâs. Anything else would be treason, which would put his life, Guenâs life, and the childâs life in jeopardy. He already considers Arthur family, and heâll be able to spend a lot of time with the child anyway, so heâll be pretty much okay with the situation. Heâll be happier if Arthur knows the truth, and even happier if theyâre in a poly relationship and think of themselves as all raising the child together.
As for the Arthur/Morgana distress, I absolutely get it. and Iâm going to try very hard to handle the whole thing as tastefully and tactfully as I can, given the subject matter. I didnât want to throw out such a key part of the Arthurian âcanon,â or all the potential for storytelling that it enables, but I want to avoid wallowing in the most traumatic elements of it, while still taking it as seriously as it deserves. Letâs hope I succeed.
Lancelotâs reaction will mostly be one of sorrow and sympathy. Heâll be distressed on both Arthur and Morganaâs behalfs, and heâll do everything he can to avoid taking sides. That said, heâs going to have some issues of his own popping up, so he may not be in the best position to have a very active response to the situation.
@Finian Welcome back! And thanks; Iâm doing okay.
@Gadriel Beautiful. As an INTJ, I can sympathize with ultra-pragmatic Guen. She should have some good opportunities for damage control in ways that will suit her style.
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I assume, this will have to do with the woman that broke his heart. (?) Is she going to approach him because of her past personal relationship with Lance or for her ambitious motives? I wonder now, if sheâs going to have any involvement to Mordredâs conceiving?
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@jeantown I read a while back that Guen will have a chance to tell Arthur about her potential affair with Lance and/or Morgana at the end of Book II. How will Arthur react to that revelation?! My curiosity is killing me! 
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@Kitkat Sort of⌠some of those things, in a wayâŚbut it may not be what you expect. 
@buggygirl11 For that, youâll have to wait and see⌠
My plan is that his reaction will depend on how/what Guen tells him.
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@jeantown first sorry for your lost. I hope he will live forever in the memories of your family.
And returning to the game. My Guen wonât have any sex thing with Morgana or Barbie. But could she said Arthur Lance tried to bang her without her will. He is hippie I know but having in account that.
-I told him any chance I have that Lance wants bang me.
-I try hardened him each opportunity my Guen had.
So why I cant tell him about the kiss and his dreams and the spell. And remembering him all the trophies he send⌠And how he promised me being my knight only, and never look for another girl. I could imagine hippie would still bring a naive flower kisser but taking account the hardened, he may show some jealousy, or caution I suppose.
If not I claim for a Internal dialogue of my Guen âWhy in the seven hells I still married with this hippie flower kisser? That the only clever thing he did in his dreamy bastard life was picking a rusty sword from a rock? Why I couldnât be married with a barbarian they at least know how their best friend is trying to bang his wife.â
Something that strikes me on Lancelotâs interest in Guenevere. Outside Guen, who actually has any reason to suspect Lancelot âkeeps trying every chance he getsâ? Morgana might, if sheâs seen enough to judge, otherwise she like Arthur has Guenâs word for it - a Guen that may or may not be considered honest.
A sensible realist with a neutral opinion of Guen is going to consider whether or not she - especially if she is expressly unfriendly to Lancelot - might be lying to either hurt Lancelot, or drive a wedge between the two, or both, after all.
So yeah, Iâm not opposed to any Guen having the option to rail about how âanyone elseâ would believe her, but that doesnât strike me as a rational expectation if âanyone elseâ isnâ't very convinced of her honesty and what sheâs specifically said.
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@jeantown That makes senseâŚbut why do you have to make us wait, WHY?! 
But there are going to be different ways of telling himâŚawesome! 
Letâs see how that will hopefully work with my GuensâŚ
Telling Arthur: Confused Guen (Morgana, Kissed Lance), Ditzy Guen (Lance), Rebellious Guen (Morgana), Skanky Guen (Lance AND Morgana)
Not Telling: Evil Guen (Morgana, Stringing Lance Along), Ruthless Guen (Stringing Lance Along), Canon Guen (Lance)
Actually Faithful: Good Girl Guen (split from the turning-evil Guen), Fallen Guen (THAT infamous Guen whoâs turning evil), Jealous Guen
Wow, thatâs a pretty even split. So for those who WILL tell ArthurâŚ
Confused Guen will be apologizing and crying. She loves Arthur and wants to be faithful, but is constantly tempted by her attraction to Morgana and Lance. She finally gave in and kissed Morgana in a moment of anger (towards Arthur for chasing the wrong Guen) and weakness. She at least told Lancelot that she just wants to be friendsâŚa split second after kissing him back before she could stop herself. Sheâs wracked with guilt right now and will break down once she can finally bring herself to face Arthur (she went to Frankmarch instead of Michaelsmount so she wouldnât have to look him in the eye).
Ditzy Guen also loves Arthur, but unlike Confused Guen, sees absolutely nothing wrong with being attracted to/in love with more than one person. She loves Arthur and Lance, doesnât want to choose, and would love a open poly relationship with both. Ditzy Guen will probably be genuinely confused if Arthur gets angry at her for âcheatingââŚfrom her point of view, sheâs done nothing wrong in the slightest.
Rebellious Guen resents Arthur for being forced to marry him against both her will and her sexual orientation. She will probably try to be as rude and hurtful as possible in an attempt to convince Arthur to divorce/cast her aside so she can be free to finally live her life on her own terms.
Skanky Guen is another Guen who sees absolutely nothing wrong with being attracted to more than one person (or two, or five, or sevenâŚ). She gets involved with basically anyone who will take her to fulfill her insatiable sexual appetite. Love doesnât enter into the equationâŚor at least it didnât before she met Morgana. Skanky Guen doesnât love Arthur, but she doesnât wish him ill either, and will tell him what is happening in straight-forward, matter of fact, âThis is who I am, and this is how it is,â fashion. Sheâll probably get annoyed if Arthur makes it into a huge deal.
Thanks for reading this long post! Hopefully these reactions will be possible!
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Wow, so first I guess I should just say that I adore this wip. So much so that I created an account on here just to let you know that basically.
Iâve played the game a multitude of times and have hung about in the forum for a while just reading through a bunch of discussions to find out more about it and what the future holds in store for the gang (whom I have affectionately named as such because youâve done so well in endearing these characters to me that I actually feel like they are my gang⌠Please donât judge meâŚ)
Secondly, I thought Iâd ask about some thoughts/questions I had during one of my - to be honest many - hella gay guen playthroughs. On this occasion I was playing as a sort of shy\cautious Guen who wasnât sure being upfront with anyone about her sexuality was a good idea. So she didnât tell Arthur and though she maybe fancied Morgana, wasnât about to say as much to her face so was quite evasive during their conversation in Morganaâs tent in part 1. As a result it seemed like she was then locked out of expressing any interest in Morgana, even to herself. For example even a gay Guen has chance to express in thought the development of feelings for Arthur or Lance, yet in regards to Morgana only seems to be able to think of her as afriend.
I suppose I was just wondering if this was done intentionally and if shy Guen missed her one and only jumping off point to initiate or even just think about a romantic interest in Morgana, or if thereâd be further opportunity down the road.
Anyway, I think Iâve rambled on enough (sorry about that). Thanks for the insanely awesome game!
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The funny fact is my more ruthless Guen, my cannon Guen aka Poison queen, enter into both of your list. Telling Arthur , Being faithful In a normal playthrough that is supposed to be the goodies choices. But any choice could be torn and wiked . Make Arthur suspicious about Barbie, make Barbie jealous, mess with their minds, changing their nature. And my Guen is just making herself like a responsible wife faithful and loving protecting everything while trying destroy all that Arthur no sense Dreamland.
@jeantown I just wonder they must be some sort of evil godess or something. Just to adding some lore for evil Guens Mordred black magic rite in any moment That could be so cool, my light magic poison queen canât believe in a goodie god just saying 
I guess my guen is confused, ditzy and slightly skanky since I never romance morgana
If Arthur can be told about the Lance relationship at the end of Book 2, wouldnât his reaction be the same as the first time heâs told (except if Guen goes into graphic details)? It seemes that at the start of book 2, Arthur didnât respond to Guenâs attempts to harden him. He didnât learn from previous experiences that enemys can only be fixed with death (Hrothar). He invited his enemy and sheep into the castle and didnât listen to my Guenâs reasonings. He has no hardening/ character development and I donâ t see why he would distrist his bff Lance when he trust people who have tried to kill Him.
For my Guenâs relationship with Lance, she is saddened because no one respects her because sheâs a woman and she has to deger to the wishes of an idiot king, so she focuses on trying to improve her Kingdom, but Arthur doesnât follow her orders.
She tried to persue Lance because she wanted to have a chance to choose something for once in her life, but Lance avoided her for years despite her wishes that they should be together ; when Lance finally showed intrest in her, she felt she had no choice but to say that she loved him even though she didnât Because she feared he might leave her alone again. But, this meant that she was still giving into someone with power over her. Instead of empowering her, she feels like she lost some self respect and she tries to believe that this relationship is somehow rebellious and revenge against Arthurâs idiotness but deep down she feels like a failure and doesnât really understand why sheâs doing this.
My Guen canât tell Arthur about Lance because it will ruin the hardening plan. Arthur wonât listen to reason eventhough sheâs always right. Arthur probably thinks that just because everythingâs turned out Ok in the end that my input doesnât matter. The only way to harden him is if he learns that his actions have concequences ( or so my Guen thinks?).
This is why I sent Lance to deal with the Frankenmarch politics so the country can be saved in the long term. Morgana is a powerful wizard so it would be a waste of reasources to look for her. Iâm going to take my Meliguant-zombie-making/unhealable-wound-inflicting sword. My pet Fluffy went with Meliguant so I have an even greater advantage in the fight. I donât care what happens to Arthur as long as he doesnât die so I can still be queen. This is why I need a male heir so I can permantly get rid of the unfit king.
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Once I have my sword, I will explain to (blame for) Arthur that he allowed Meliguant and the sheep into the castle and caused this mess. He left the kingdom defenseless while he went on a wild goosechase while Lance , his most trusted bff,( If I tell about relationship, the argument falls apart here) warened him that it wasnât the real Guen. Also, if he was worried about Guen and Morgana, he could have sent Lance to save them because he showed his skill by bringing back trophies. (I donât think Meliguant would have given up on getting rerevenge if things were done differently, but Arthur at least shouldnât have made it easy for him, but this is irrelevant to the argument).
Since I didnât Stop Britain from the invasion, people will die and the land will be burned. Once Arthur returns to Britain and sees all the death and destruction that I will tell him is his fault, he will be hardenedâŚmaybeâŚhopefully? [/spoiler]
You know, reading this line:
Suddenly got me thinking about the Holy Grail, which I have heard being mentioned in waaaaay to many stories about the Round Tableâs Knights.
Just asking and commenting because Iâm curious as to how others see itâŚ
His enemy? Did I miss a character? Because Iâm pretty sure none of the people Arthur is actually fighting at the moment are in the castle.
Unless I missed something, Meligaunt hasnât been making a point of hostility to Arthur - we the player know something is up, hell, we have it specifically said that Meligaunt captures Guenevere - but that doesnât mean thereâs anything indicating that heâs a threat at the start of events that Guen can see - okay, so at one point he tried to kill Arthur. Everyone who at any point is any kind of threat is obviously never going to change and never going to act differently and thatâ's all there is to it? That sounds more âmisanthropeâ than ârealistâ.
Iâm not trying to fault you or your playstyle, but it always bewilders me how much âpractical mindedâ reads as âpessimistic and misanthropicâ whether in a setting where being murdered for the price of a cup of coffee is normal or not.
@Jaxx Whatâs wrong with the Holy Grail?
I mean, Iâm not necessarily enamored of it, but âwaaaaay too manyâ implies something a little stronger than âI donât mind seeing it absentâ.
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Itâs just that every time I see story from Arthur Canon itâs either a.)The Sword in The Stone, b.) The Fall of Camelot or c.) The Quest for the Holy Grail. Thereâs even (supposedly) a special chair in the round table which kills anyone who tries to sit on it⌠except for the guy who gets the Holy Grail.
I donât have any problems with it not being here, since this is, after all, a story about Guen and not the Round Table itself, but it would be nice to at least hear one small line of text about it, if only just to hear about it.
Of course, it may have already been mentioned, and I just never got to see the text, if so, just tell me where to read it.
@Jaxx Okay, I think Iâm failing to understand something.
Are you saying you do feel itâs overdone (the âmentioned waaaaay too many timesâ thing), or something else?
âToo many timesâ sounds like it being frequently present is something you think isnât a good thing.
Hmm, perhaps itâs another fault in my wording?
Yeah, it definitely is.
Itâs not that itâs bad, just that the amount of times Iâve seen it in Arthurian Legend makes me wonder if itâs ever going to appear here. Forgive me for the misunderstanding, the way I word things has been bit of a problem.
Jeantown
Are you planning to have some poem,Ballad or Epic speech ?
I yes i could help you with that, while english is my native language and my grammar is full of els, i actually have talent for poetic things and speeches,no matter the language, PM me if you want to test this(essentially giving me what you want it about and i will show you what i created, in short testing if it would work or no)
GREAT point that making the âgoodâ choice doesnât necessarily mean a Guen is a good person, and making the âbadâ choice doesnât mean a Guen is evil.
Jealous Guen, though she does love Arthur way more than is healthy and is completely faithful to him, is not exactly an angel. Sheâs been plotting the downfall of Lancelot and Morgana since Day 1 for no other reason than that Arthur cares about them as well as her. She wants both to die slowly and painfully, along with anyone else who dares threaten her relationship with Arthur.
On the opposite side, we have Canon Guen (where I try to stick as close to the original legends as I can) who isnât telling about her love affair with Lancelot, but not because of any desire to hurt Arthur. She knows (or is at least almost positive) that Arthur wouldnât execute her or Lancelot for treason. However, Canon Guen saw how easily Arthur banished (or would have, if it wasnât for her interference) Bretta for breaking the laws of Camelot, and is terrified that Arthur would banish Lance to Gaul where she would never see him again.
IDEA/BRAINSTORMING (skip over it if you donât want to hear it): âŚAlthough, Canon Guen will âhardenâ Arthur to try to get him to be more practical at the end of Book II. What if she goes too far, and by the time Arthur finds out about her infidelity in Book VI, heâs so hardened that he actually sentences her to death? MmmâŚ
As for my Ruthless Guenâs reasoning, she would never have a full-blown affair with Lancelot. She would never risk being charged with Treason for it (especially not for Lancelot, whom she actually canât stand).
However, ever since she realized Lancelot is attracted to her, sheâs been flirting with him constantly to encourage his interest (though never outright saying that sheâs interested herself, and NEVER getting physical). When he kissed her, Ruthless Guen decided to go with it and kiss him backâŚfor a second, before stopping him and pulling an âOh Lance, I couldnât help myself, but we canât do this. We can never have a physical relationship, but Goddess knows how much I want you.â
After all, having Britainâs best knight as her devoted slave couldnât hurt, and Lance is proving himself very, very useful right now by handling the situation in Frankmarch while she defends Camelot from the invasion. The instant Lancelot is no longer useful, thatâs the instant my Ruthless Guen will begin plotting his downfallâŚbut not a moment before.
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