I found if terrible as it is a metaphor of female forced subjugation and negation of women sexuality. And of course, a negation of any possibility of women having power and strength.
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Rogar
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no it’s not is different types of strength. Faries Queen itself it both praise and criticism of good old Queen Bess. It has Britomartis the maiden knight and Una rescued him from the giant. Thing of The Theotokos does her or son represent violent strengths. no but they are the example of the fullness and what it means to be human.
No. It is a nasty segregation of humanity in base genitals. And anything that hasn’t the male jewels has to suffer from hard nasty oppression and being a submissive figure there to support Big cis male.
There is no beauty in being forced to a role in base your genitals. And all those tales only desire is enforced that old division. Those archetypes are only okay if The protagonist can choose. If The princess is tired go with a virgin lamb why in hell can’t say No way I will fight. And why cant the knight be vegetarian and discover that is gay and prefers being an armour maker?
As a woman who is assertive and not shy since a kid, I am tired of being trying to be forced to behave like those archetypes. Like I should be like Rapunzel and Prepare my hair and clothing until my Christian knight comes to taken me like I were a Pokemon.
I am not a lamb to be bought or rescued or defended. I prefer being killed to an asshole knight tries to defend me to use it as an excuse to slave me.
If I were inside those tales hell if they will have another ending.
Number one You prince has you thought to ask the damn woman if is interested or if she is lesbian or something?
Because say Now you are my wife because I slained that dragon… doesn’t sound okay to me.
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Totally 100℅ agree with Wendy… And far better partner lol.
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ok, screw everything else i said, this is the next disney princess movie i want
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Rogar
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You know was Lamb…Christ…a man. Also I think you’re missing the allegorical nature of Fairy Queen. You forgetting both the huntress and the Dame Knight in the books Una in all that Christian meekness was the one save holiness. She’s both has quite strength not because of anger or cruelty but because. Love and think about about the woman that represents the faith save what is holy.
That metaphor only works if
1 You are Christian I am atheist. I was atheist with 5 years when They force me to be in a room alone in dark (chapel) until I kneeling to the damn Virgin statue.
And If the person wants be referred to as that type o portray. I don’t want to be a Queen I don’t want to be any of those submissive and “faith” symbols … Why? Because my gender shouldn’t be a reason to bully me.
Some days ago I went to a psychologist specialist in dysphoria and basically agree with me That I have social gender dysphoria I think is called in English. I consider myself the gender identity that goes with my sexual genes.
However, I don’t follow and suffering anxiety and depression when people try to force me to behave and dress in a concrete way because I am a woman. That causes me mental pain and a hatred of those traditional feminine archetypes.
So we can agree to disagree. As for anyone that things Woman has to be and only be X can’t understand how it is not be that at all, and being forced and traumatized because one is not like a Disney’s princess
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Rogar
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Things even with Christianity they are not so much tied to genders. Special when it comes to the saints they striving in the emulation of Christ how the his divinity with his humanity show the best of us. The entire idea of Christianity is what you think of feminist archetype. You have God that experience death to it Conquer and sin out of this suffering love for humanity. He both had control but choice to meekly go to his death out of this suffering love this Joyful sorrow. Think of the ending of John he’s asking Peter do you love me. It says in Greek Agape it the highest type of love. That how he loves Peter and all of humanity. that’s what the Uma represents this meek Powerful undeserving unconquerable love. I think you’re getting too hung up on the archetypes and not actually look at what they mean. and that thing in her meekness she is mighty in her humility she is strong. You see that with both what she represents allegorical and in her actions.
Gower
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I could not be more pleased to have a discussion of Spenser’s The Faerie Queene somewhere (Spenser is my academic specialty) but maybe we should keep the discussion more tightly linked to Disney Princesses in this thread going forward.
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@Gower I agree and Sorry for enter in the discussion. But weren’t that main inspiration from first Disney’s princess movies? I say that because in cathecism was what they say about Cinderella and Snow White and in a way the sleeping beauty. Rapunzel was considered the Christian woman keeping her chastity until his husband come.
I am sorry Like I was heavy taught that Disney’s are Christian symbols and all that for me is different and difficult separate ones from others. But I know thankfully Is not that way so sorry If I was considered too off-topic.
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will
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Funny enough I should come across this extremely relevant comic today: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/princesses
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Lots of metaphors are for the faithful only, so they never worked on me either.
The flipside of what you say is that as a man you must be an “alpha male” musclehead and about the only thing that has changed there is that nowadays the twisted ideal also demands a level of intelligence while in the past you could be dumber than a box of rocks. 
Yeah, they are. Just one with the side effect of producing some of that “toxic” masculinity. Though within reason I do like muscles of course.
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Laguz
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It’s dumb because alpha males are a myth in most group animals. The male occupies a secondary spot subservient to the matriarch.
In solitary animals, dominant males and acts of aggression to identify leaders and mating partners happens. In herds, packs and groups, the eldest (without being invalid) female takes charge.
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All people who don’t ascribe to the archetypes are screwed no matter gender. But Like myself tend in behavior scale to be near of masculine archetypes are more desirable except the alpha stuff I can’t help hating that .
However, now returning topic except Gascon and Simba there is not that alpha males in Disney’s males.
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To answer the original post, one of the only times I have seen a true-blue version of the distressed-princess storyline was Shining Force 2 (minor spoilers for that game ahead, but trust me, I’m not spoiling it more than the writers already did). I recently played it on my iPhone for the first time after hearing about it for years. It’s true that from a gameplay perspective it really was quite forward-thinking for its time, a true progenitor for the SRPG genre. But the story was…painful. Awkward and archaic even for that timeframe. The princess sees your protagonist once when he tries to save her from a demon, apparently falls in love with him because he has acrobatic skills (???) and then sees him again at the end of the game thirty-five hours later and a few in-game years later when he wakes her up with a kiss and they promptly get married.
That said, post-Tangled the princess narrative is definitely not the same as it was. I have young daughters, so it’s safe to say I have had a lot of chances to study these movies on the inevitable replays. I have opinions.
I also have some theories about the dystopian world that is Daniel Tiger’s Neighborhood, but that’s a little off-topic, even for me.
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Laguz
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I have a lot of problems with that film. The hooked-nosed, dark-haired, somewhat darker-skinned nagging and overbearing mother performing what is essentially a blood libel on the girl whose magic makes her blonde? The mid-twenties man flirting with a girl who has just turned eighteen? It’s… it’s weird to me. Can’t watch it anymore.
Aw, it’s a fun movie. I have to admit I didn’t mind it as much as some of the others. Besides, this is the same studio that thirty years ago pulled off a functionally-illiterate sixteen-year old mermaid getting married to a guy of indeterminate but definitely substantially older age, so…progress?
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Isn’t prince Eric supposed to be mid twenties too? Always seemed that way to me. Still would have preferred for his lover to be male though and the original ending where the mermaid doesn’t get the guy.
