One of my favorite CoGs that is still going, congrats on the Chapter releases! Figuring out when a chapter is truly ready for public release is the hardest thing ever, and even more difficult when it’s TWO of them.

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@Franzinyte are you going to release this on HG?

Haha, okay. It’s probably not exactly what you’d expect though.

Here goes
  • Strawberry and chocolate milk. Like, what? What is this? And more importantly, why would you do this? Unless it’s not just flavoured milk (why would you flavour milk???) and is instead some kind of dessert, in which case, I just don’t know the term.
  • Also the concept of a friend group hanging out at school is baffling me as of itself.
  • Why is our cousin drying us with a towel when they come pick us up from school?
  • Speaking of which, why is everyone waiting for an adult to pick them up from school?
  • And related to that, why are parents going to the field trip?
  • And why are there so many parents at the birthday party, for that matter?
  • …how on Earth did that sleepover got organized so spontaneously? (Who in their right mind wants to do a sleepover anyway?)
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Chaperones. :grin:

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Our field trips always just had an extra teacher or two!

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I’m sorry for the offence that I caused that really wasn’t my intention and looking at it now I can understand why the joke that I made when I really sleepy could be seen as messed up.

Also about IAC yes I did read it but that was months ago and I don’t remember everything about it so I’m sorry I forgot that piece of information.

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It’s funny because to me, as an American, most of those are all things I’m familiar with and would never think twice about (honestly very surprised that most of those could be strange to anyone), but other huge chunks of the game are wildly different to anything I’ve ever known or heard of. Like the entire shower section lead me to looking it all up and reading about the very interesting (hope that word doesn’t come across bad, not meant to be) and totally new to me tabò, which is kind of a huge culture shock for me. Even just how most people are getting around via the tricycles and jeepneys, while not a new idea to me (just being like culturally specific cabs of a sort), is very different to anything I’m personally familiar with.

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Funny thing here to me is, the things you mentioned do feel unfamiliar, but they also feel like they should feel unfamiliar, which then makes it not a problem, while the things I mentioned feel like they should feel familiar, and since they do not… does that make sense?

(I didn’t imagine the shower thing as anything other than practical reasons though. Huh.)

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@Clear Oh, I forgot to reply to you earlier, but thank you! :heart:

The reason it took so long to came out, was because I originally intended it to be just one long chapter. I probably would’ve kept it that way, but CSIDE starts lagging real bad when the scene file is very long. Chapter 4 & 5 combined is about 175k words long, and it’s still missing a whole bunch of choices. Anyway, I hope it was worth the wait!

@love4tae Hello, please check out the link to the FAQ in the first post. It’s not something I want to discuss here, but the second question should answer your question.


@LiliArch I’ll share my own experiences along with some story explanations:

Summary
  • I dunno what to say about this. I’d drink chocolate milk every day if it wasn’t so expensive. :sweat_smile:

  • Now that you mention it, it does seem a bit weird for the group to stay at school for that long since I never really experienced that until college. There was originally going to be a chapter of the whole school day, but that got cut so I wanted more school scenes (especially because the school becomes a set piece later in Chapter 7).

  • Haha. This is so funny to me, because I just got a message on Tumblr the other day, mentioning that they were delighted to find out that the drying towel thing was a common cultural habit. But yeah, the twins are kinda sweaty because it’s hot. It’s also a way to show that Paddy cares for the twins.

  • Well, Lily went home on her bike alone without her moms, so it’s not everyone. JM and B’s parents would not allow them to ride any public transport, and as for the twins… why wouldn’t they just wait for Paddy and go home together? To be honest, I’ve never actually rode a schoolbus home/to school, so that never really occurred to me. Waiting around for a jeepney is also one of those experiences I wanted to show in the story. I also wanted to introduce Rosie’s parents in Chapter 2, or else I’ll have to introduce the parents all at once later.

  • It’s been already pointed out, but yeah, my elementary class usually had around 40 students, so that would be a lot for just a couple of teachers. But there will be no parents during the fieldtrip in the story. Wayne and Rosie going with their parents are from their previous fieldtrips.

  • Lily mentioned she didn’t want her mom to come to the party, but Dani went anyway since she is friends with Rosie’s parents and wanted to see Rosie. JM also would’ve preferred not to go with his step-mom, but Stephanie really wanted to show her support to JM. Story-wise, the parents are all there because there’d be no other scene where I can introduce them, until much later!

  • Wayne and Rosie frequently go on sleepovers with each other, so their parents have a LOT of experience, they wouldn’t even bat an eye. Also, it’s a slice-of-life story. Why would I not include a sleepover? (Like Paddy I never really experienced it, so this is a bit of wish fulfillment for me)

Yup, that wasn’t what I was expecting, but it was fun to talk about anyway.


@ElliWoelfin And I’m like, what do you even do without a tabo? :sweat_smile: For most of my childhood I never really used a shower, and it was a real treat if I got to use one. Funny enough, I checked out the scene again and you made me find a bug. Hehe.

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Talking about the story (mostly new stuff); heavy spoiler warning for anything within

Will be kinda disorganized, sorry. Just want to get the thoughts I’m having out. It’s not really true feedback like I know is preferred, but I hope it’s still something

I loved the discussion of gender that was so prominent throughout with different characters. It’s a fun change, with Bianes being she/they, Lily having explored her stuff (she kinda feels GNC to me, like almost butch; maybe influenced by her moms?), JM thinking he’s maybe non-binary, our cousin maybe being trans, etc… Plus the general LGBT stuff, with Lily’s moms, Roselyna being bi/pan (I’d guess pan), our cousin being bi/pan, etc… It’s made the story even cozier to me.

I enjoy how the whole group plus parents is kind of one big family. I don’t know how much of that is cultural, but it’s nice when everyone is around. It’s interesting with how drastically different the family dynamics are between everyone, too.

I’m very curious about JM’s dad, about what specifically is so scummy about him (beyond simply being a politician). It feels like he’s a very specific stand-in for someone (or maybe the state of politics there in general), but I’m obviously not anywhere near knowledgeable enough to know beyond the current president is, eh, not great to say the very least, but he (JM Sr) doesn’t feel like he’s meant to be quite that horrific.

Uh, Roselyna getting hit by the bus (would say ā€œalmost getting hit but that’s not really true, she was and I prevented itā€). That was incredibly intense, with the cycling options of the outcomes (I’ve enjoyed this way of showing it greatly), and almost all of them leading to people getting hurt or dying. Really don’t want to think about any of them getting killed like that, not these precious little kids. Real rough and a lot more than I expected from this story. Overall I think the story leans darker and more adult than it used to by a significant margin, and I don’t think that’s purely on me coming across a lot of secrets. It’s not a bad change or anything (though I worry it is caused by meta stuff like the last couple years, both related and unrelated to the story), and I can’t point to anything specific (beyond the obvious of this event, as well as it being explicit that Lily’s parents were murdered) as to why, but there was this lingering feeling as I read it, after we got home from school mostly. That early section still feels very nice, but it’s also the oldest part. There was a similar feeling last major update too, with the unreality of the moon flickering that I talked about a bit (I think) (I noticed that’s changed, or at least I got a different version; I personally liked the imagery of the flicker, but I get the new version being more vague and ā€œam I wrong/misremembering?ā€).

I loved how, even when there wasn’t choices (which there often is, and I greatly appreciate the enormous variety every time), my character never felt out of character. It’s an incredible feat you’ve managed, that even if I’m not giving direct input everything feels exactly as I’d choose anyway.

I appreciate being able to be kind of an outcast in the group. I feel terrible because it feels kinda rude to not be getting close to the wonderful characters you’ve made, but it’s the position I always was in, only have maybe one in to the group (here being my very outgoing twin). Related, how most choices I can be quiet. It’s a nice allowance :slight_smile:

I also like the picky eater choice, it was very appreciated and the wording made me feel very seen (even if my shit is way more than that label says, at a base level that’s what it is), and that liking spicy stuff was separate. Found it funny how, like for everything, the twin is opposite and I was so repulsed by them just putting everything all at once in a stack. I’ve never felt more betrayed. My autism can’t take that crime against humanity (this is all joking, if my tone is unclear). The spread of food was very interesting to me, in-game being referred to as like ā€œnormal birthday foodā€.

Thought the Black Dahlia Murder reference was funny, with how out of place it felt (being an extreme metal band). Had looked it up to double check the band and saw that album it’s on is called Nocturnal, which I didn’t realize, making it make even more sense in context.

Out of curiosity, for the choices that I think cause + to opposing stats (pretty sure I’ve seen plenty of those), how do those work? Like what’s getting added that would be different from doing nothing or only doing + whichever is increased more?

Random suggestion, regarding placement in the class. Maybe there could be an option for a protagonist with high knowledge to brute force their way up top, even without a high enough combined discipline/precociousness? It felt odd to me to not have that have any effect (I think; needing to add that caveat a lot because of how deep this story is), even understanding being smart doesn’t equal good grades and vice versa.

And quick bugs (only what I remember, sorry)
Early on with our cousin there’s pronoun issues. It’s in the old stuff (don’t think I ever saw it in anything after the gender option for them was added), referring to Patricia with he/him at times.
The image for plus headstrong plus discipline doesn’t show
I had Roselyna’s emotional level at I think 115%, over 100% in any case
There were a few spelling issues that should be easily caught with a spell check (not saying that to be mean and ā€œwhy haven’t you fixed itā€ but that the solution for the ones I saw should be quick and easy, not needing to manually search everything)
Think it’s a bug, but I have my crush set to B (look I have a type okay don’t judge me), and it’s making references as though they’re at the sleepover (getting dressed/showered for them, a comment about ā€œnot going to sleep beside themā€ despite not being there, etc.). I imagine this is because they’re the only crush not present and that wasn’t taken into account.

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Nothing wrong with plushies at 12! :neutral_face:

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Me, 24, having recently gotten two I’ve named and developed personalities for: :upside_down_face:

They were originally 9, if it recall. But there’s been a few age ups

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Hm, very true. CSIDE has some problems when it comes to longer strings of text data, but 175,000 words is insane. I’m lucky if two chapters combined on my novel hit 11,000 lol

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@ElliWoelfin Hehe. Don’t worry! Random disorganized thoughts are always the most enjoyable to read.

Spoilery Stuff

I’m glad you appreciate the gender discussions! I’ll admit that initially, I included all those gender options just to say I did, but over time the story has become… something for me to explore my own self, and although those changes came later in development, they still feel like natural developments to me. JM and Lily will start using multiple pronouns later in Volume 5, so I figured I’d include those conversations during the Story Exchange.

And yup, I made sure that each member of F6E has a different family dynamic. I think Lily had two dads originally.

Eh, he kinda represents the state of politics in general. He’s not really meant to be super antagonistic, so that’s why I made him only the vice mayor. The group likes to use him as a scapegoat, mostly because he treats JM horribly in favor of B, not so much the politics stuff.

Although if you managed to eavesdrop on Stephanie twice and have a heritage passive with enhanced senses, you’ll know that he might be involved in some shady stuff.

I dunno. The very first draft of the story (back when it was still just a plain old novel), always had some character deaths in it, and the bus scene was planned way before I even finished Chapter 2. I do mention in the summary that I do plan on exploring some darker stuff, which you’ve already seen in IAC.

I think you might just be misremembering? I don’t remember changing the moon part. All the weird stuff happening is basically ā€œforeshadowingā€ for the big plot hole about to happen. Maybe you’re starting to get affected by the plot hole too? :fearful:

Would you believe that I even put some of the ā€œstay quietā€ choices at the top if you have a high reserved stat? At least, I did in the earlier chapters. I kinda stopped doing it because of too much effort.

I am a picky eater. :slightly_smiling_face: Out of curiosity, what would you call as ā€œnormal birthday foodā€?

I hate to break it to you, but I have no idea what you’re talking about. Oh of course, that was totally intentional! :sweat_smile: Hehe. I’m not sure what you’re referring to exactly, but Tita Dani does like power metal.

I’m not sure what you’re asking here exactly? Do you mean when it says both +Warm and +Cold at the same time? It’s a bit complicated to explain here, but that basically means it’s a neutral choice. Whatever your stats currently are, a choice like that would always move it closer to 50%.

As for your suggestion, I mainly wanted the choice to not be affected by the Knowledge stat at all. But I guess it doesn’t make sense. Maybe I can increase the requirement to something like 170 combined stats, but also include the Knowledge %.

  • I found a couple pronoun errors, but I don’t have the energy to comb through the text right now.
  • Are you sure the notification images aren’t showing up? I can see that I uploaded them on Dashingdon.
  • After she ran away, are you sure that Roselyna having 115% emotional level is a bug? :stuck_out_tongue: It’s showing 115% because your choices made her more emotional than usual.
    It wouldn’t make sense to start at 50%.
  • CSIDE doesn’t have spell check. I guess I could transfer all that text for a spell check, but I’m not gonna comb through the sea of red lines because of the code. I need to leave some stuff for the beta testers to check too!
  • Okay, the B flavor text is a problem for sure. I didn’t account for all the existing text because I only added B as a crush option in Chapter 2 after the public beta.

@love4tae Ohh, thank you for sharing it with your friends then! :blush: I regret having that many customization options sometimes, but I know it’s worth it when I see messages like this.

What exactly do you feel is confusing? The sidequests, the secrets, or having too many characters present in the scene at once? All of the above? I might not be able to address it, but it would be nice to know if it’s because there are too many subplots/characters, or if it’s the stats/mechanics.

Having too many characters present in the scene at once is one of the problems I’m dealing with, and it will only get worse in later chapters.

Also, yes. I have a stuffed piggy beside me right now that I also named Wilboar. I don’t see why that’s a problem. :stuck_out_tongue:

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sorry i was referring to another IF, whats going on with me today???

And tell Wilboar I said hi! :face_holding_back_tears: :face_holding_back_tears:

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I had recalled it being like you look at the moon and it’s one way but flickers to another (thinking there was two moons and the extra disappears?). My two thoughts are either there’s this one story I could see that scene actually being from or having high knowledge lead my character to know what the phase should be and I got a different scene because of that. Either way, yeah probably wrong. Been a while since I’ve read. But I know it’s all setting up the big strangeness coming later, getting very ominous :slight_smile:

From the few parties I’ve been to, just pizza is all I can think of. Literally don’t remember anything else beyond that and an expected birthday pastry (cake, cookies, cookie cake, etc), but it’s totally possible I just don’t have a broad experience combined with rarely eating anything when at someone else’s place unless it’s something I know like pizza from somewhere I’m familiar with (ARFID problems).

Yes that was it, that explanation makes sense, pushing towards 50%.

When I was just playing (fully new save after the update earlier, plus recently refreshed page as well) it didn’t show. I had seen it come up with a broken image thing earlier but couldn’t remember the stats it was for so I was gonna not mention it but I saw it again as I was finishing up and typing that message, so I’m confident that it was at least bugged in my playthrough. Couldn’t say why or if it’s something unique to me or what.

Valid point. It felt thematic and I know sometimes that’s intentional but since the personality stats had an overflow (or underflow?) error I saw on tumblr I wanted to make sure. She was at 105 next few times it came up, just in case that’s also intentional.

Hadn’t thought of that aspect. Was thinking "just move the story text over to a word processor without the code " but obviously they’re heavily intertwined and that’s functionally impossible. Brain was thinking ā€œyou can know word count with and without code, so they can be separatedā€, ignoring the obvious fact that I know it’s mixed together, even if just for pronouns. My bad, sorry for the suggestion, then.

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I had some broken images (the ā€œimage not foundā€ symbol on browser) but have no idea which they are since, you know, not found.

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Do you at least remember which chapter/scene it was in? It’s hard to remember which images I haven’t uploaded.

Sorry @ElliWoelfin, will reply to you later.

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I don’t, but I was going to take screenshots later of stuff I found, I just wanted to play a couple of times first.

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Oh cool, Owl House reference update!

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