# Crème de la Crème Discussion and Romance Guide (Spoilers Within) **URL:** \ **Category:** Choice of Games games\ **Created:** [August 31, 2018, 10:50am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280 "2018-08-31T10:50:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![hgbird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/hgbird/32/103777_2.png) [@hgbird](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/hgbird)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/927 "2019-12-11T19:20:02Z")
Um, they’re beautiful?? ---
**Author:** ![Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/lux/32/107253_2.png) [@Lux](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Lux)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:21pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/928 "2019-12-11T19:21:11Z")
Thank you very much for the reply, I’ll be exploring the game even more now 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Cari-san](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/cari-san/32/154922_2.png) [@Cari-san](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Cari-san)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/929 "2019-12-11T19:32:31Z")
_looks at female!Hartmann face claim_ Okay, Hartmann just became my favorite RO. ---
**Author:** ![trevers17](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/trevers17/32/127415_2.png) [@trevers17](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/trevers17)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/930 "2019-12-11T19:55:25Z")
Wow, his face claim just made me love him _more_. Time to replay. 😍 ---
**Author:** ![Snowflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/snowflower/32/83909_2.png) [@Snowflower](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Snowflower)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/931 "2019-12-11T20:19:52Z")
My Hartmann-loving heart is happy with all 3 face-claims. ---
**Author:** ![Pauly51](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/pauly51/32/49933_2.png) [@Pauly51](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Pauly51)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/932 "2019-12-11T20:55:40Z")
But potential Ravenclaw - Slytherin mix isn’t that bad sign? ---
**Author:** ![Snowflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/snowflower/32/83909_2.png) [@Snowflower](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Snowflower)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/933 "2019-12-11T21:06:44Z")
I am a Ravenclaw-Slytherin mix (more toward Ravenclaw), and I think it’s great! ---
**Author:** ![hgbird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/hgbird/32/103777_2.png) [@hgbird](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/hgbird)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/934 "2019-12-11T21:13:22Z")
This is Slytherclaw discrimination. 😆 Ravenclaws tend to value wit, while Slytherins value ambition. They’re both inherently intelligent houses, but while Ravenclaws pursue academics for the value of knowledge, Slytherins do it for power. I can definitely see Hartmann as a Slytherclaw, due to their personal arc being a struggle between them pursuing their own interests for themself vs. them pursuing that which furthers their family’s ambitions/desires (e.g. attending Gessner vs. teaching at Gallatin) > [@Snowflower](#): > > I am a Ravenclaw-Slytherin mix (more toward Ravenclaw), and I think it’s great! Me too! ---
**Author:** ![Pauly51](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/pauly51/32/49933_2.png) [@Pauly51](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Pauly51)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/935 "2019-12-11T22:34:52Z")
Well of course, you guys are right there is nothing wrong with being a Ravenclaw Slytherin mix. You should stay true to yourself. In fact, it might even help substantially if you want to grow up to be a program manager for a tech company. That said if you are a Griffin-puff like me then it is a red light. Without crossing the streams too much, I ask you what Eugenia Hartman do if she found the Marauder’s Map. I think she would turn over to the teachers. Joking of course in good fun. ---
**Author:** ![Urban](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Urban](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Urban)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/936 "2019-12-11T23:15:38Z")
> [@idonotlikeusernames](#): > > My main mc would may try to transfer to a university in Zaledo after his forced “sabbatical” instead of attending Gessner, both to be closer to his fiancee but also to get to know Zaledo and build his own social network there. Gessner is still a valid backup plan though. I don’t think my MC would do that. Gressner or the internships are the only way the MC, who is engaged to Rosario, can show how worthy they are. If you transfers to Zaledo you will be treated as the princess’/price’s future consort, your achievements will be muddled by it, you will never truly know if you did it on merit or because you will marry Rosario. ---
**Author:** ![sabsgibs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c68b51/32.png) [@sabsgibs](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/sabsgibs)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/937 "2019-12-12T07:15:10Z")
Does anybody have advice or tips about getting the achievement for keeping the colleges secrets? It’s the last achievement I need and I have no idea what I’m doing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Urban](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Urban](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Urban)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 7:40am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/938 "2019-12-12T07:40:25Z")
Blackmail lady Renaldt and you will get it. ---
**Author:** ![TeamCorvid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/teamcorvid/32/68799_2.png) [@TeamCorvid](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/TeamCorvid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 9:20am UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/939 "2019-12-12T09:20:13Z")
😍 🥰 😍 🥰 At LAST ---
**Author:** ![Bill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/bill/32/90443_2.png) [@Bill](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Bill)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/940 "2019-12-13T15:28:15Z")
Does anyone can give a step by step tips to get renaldt in prison? I always end with her/him still be a headteacher at gallatin,and only schroeder that get on prison/facing criminal charges ---
**Author:** ![idonotlikeusernames](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/idonotlikeusernames/32/5993_2.png) [@idonotlikeusernames](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/idonotlikeusernames)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/941 "2019-12-13T15:32:46Z")
Well I suppose Gessner might be persuaded to defer admitting my main mc for a year or so until after his “sabbatical”. Thing is my mc also likes having his cute, sexy, charming and supportive fiancee around and having to life in a dorm again at Gessner does crimp the possibilities for fun even if Rosario does visit. ---
**Author:** ![HarrisPS](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/harrisps/32/240120_2.png) [@HarrisPS](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/HarrisPS)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/942 "2019-12-13T15:36:35Z")
@Pauly51 Hartmann would definitely hand the marauder’s map in to the teachers 😃 @Bill you’re in luck, here’s a huge step by step guide for what you’re after. (I’m going to spoiler tag your post just so someone’s less likely to stumble on it) MASSIVE, HUGE SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING BELOW This is a complicated one so buckle up for a huge essay! There’s a hidden stat called “backing” which describes how successful you are when confronting, or secretly taking down, Lady Renaldt. There are various ways you can increase it, and this is the most reliable way I think. - Always go straight to Karson after getting the note. -#I wonder if I could benefit from this (Karson relationship) -#We should blow the whistle (Virtue) -#I have enough friends who will rally behind us (Popularity) -#We should talk to Mr Griffith (Griffith relationship) -#We should talk to [the teacher who wasn’t fired] (that teacher relationship) **Then be a double agent, pretending to work for Lady Renaldt:** - When you go to Karson’s cabin: -#I’m doing it to take Lady Renaldt down (Karson relationship) -#She hates me ( **low** Renaldt relationship) -#Don’t moralize at me (Virtue) - If writing to Inspector Burgin to prime her before graduation: -# use my manipulative skills to butter her up (Manipulative) -#show how much I share the college’s traditional values (Traditional) -#lay it out without flourishes (Direct) - If visiting Mrs Benton: -#Tell her directly (Direct) -#Tell her gently (Manipulative) -#Tell her angrily (Domineering) - If meeting with Annick Leuzinger: -#Tell her directly (Direct) -#Tell her angrily (Domineering) -#This isn’t what Gallatin should be about (Traditional) - When working to get Blaise out: -#Talk my way into collecting blueprints (Manipulative) -#Calculate timing (Wit) -#Pick up supplies for them (Poise) - When Blaise arrives: -#Remind them we’re on the same side (Flair) -#Let Blaise grab me (Accommodating) -#Show Blaise who’s boss (Domineering) **Talk to Mr Griffith** - Initial reveal -#I have a reliable reputation (Virtue) -#I’ll appeal to the rapport (Mr Griffith relationship) -#I’ve gotten to know [non-fired teacher] (teacher relationship) Next it’s your preference whether you want to go public or deal with it more subtly. - Speak to Inspector Burgin -#I was an innocent / I had no choice (Virtue) -#lean on my excellent grades / my schooling is important to me (Grades) -#ask Karson/Blaise to speak up for me (relationship) -#ask [classmate you sent to the mine] to speak for me (classmate relationship) - Confront Lady Renaldt individually -#Inspector Burgin will listen to me / no one could think I’d do something dreadful (Virtue) -#My friends will follow me, and won’t listen to you (Popularity) -#My [clique] will back me up (clique strength) -#your guests care about grades, they’ll believe me (grades) -#We both stand to gain from this / I don’t believe you’d do that to me (Renaldt relationship) -If you’re romantic with Auguste: how can you hurt Auguste? (Auguste relationship) -If you’re romantic with Rosario: Rosario will protect me (engaged or Rosario relationship) After accusing Lady R privately, she _may_ back down if your backing score is high enough and you can push her to resign. Otherwise you’ll need to accuse her publicly. - Accusing Lady Renaldt publicly (whether instead of or after accusing privately) -#Call upon your clique (clique strength) -#Trust that my friends will stand up for me (Popularity) -#Call for [non-fired teacher]/Karson/Blaise to stand up for me (relationship) -#lean on my trustworthy reputation (Virtue) -#why would I lie about this when I’ve worked so hard? (Grades) -#appeal to Beatrix [if you have the internship] (Virtue or Popularity) -#appeal to the Chancellor [if you’re going to Gessner] (grades or Virtue) -#appeal to Jerome [if you have the internship] (Virtue or Popularity) Then in Chapter 12, depending on the success during the graduation scene, if you’ve revealed Lady Renaldt’s scheme to anyone the case will be in a better or a worse state. If you weren’t so successful in Chapter 11, you can: -#write an impassioned plea for justice (flair) -#record meticulous details (wit) -#I’m furious about this (Domineering) -#Write whatever I think the Board needs to hear (Manipulative) and there’s a chance that you’ll be able to have Lady R removed at that point. If you were successful in Chapter 11, she’ll be removed and potentially imprisoned. ---
**Author:** ![Bill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/bill/32/90443_2.png) [@Bill](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Bill)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/943 "2019-12-13T15:37:44Z")
Thank you so much Hannah!!! ---
**Author:** ![Gunnix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/gunnix/32/9930_2.png) [@Gunnix](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Gunnix)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/944 "2019-12-13T23:00:20Z")
I really like this kinda setting… And loved the game/pace/development! 🤩 Croix/Max trio route was great, but I absolutely adored Hartmann; my fav beau so far 💜 Now comes the courting of the princess ✨👸 On a side note, my fav char must prolly be Freddie… Silly as it may sound, I couldn’t stop associating her with that Persona 5 character, Futaba 😅 > **Futaba** > > ![P5_Futaba_Sakura](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/original/3X/4/c/4c7348ed416875259e32bb463b2bc25b9ce74100.png) ---
**Author:** ![Treidis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/treidis/32/142262_2.png) [@Treidis](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Treidis)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/945 "2019-12-14T15:26:33Z")
I know this topic has been going on many times in this forum, but I tried to follow your advice, but I still couldn’t get engaged to the Prince Rosario. He is such a sweet character that I can’t give up on him. I have played many times and his parents always said it’s too soon for his engagement 😖 I guess Virtue over 75% and Popularity over 55% is insufficient, but how much do I need to win him over? I also have a relationship with him of more than 65% whether that’s enough or do I need me to get more? Please give me some advice on how to get engaged to the prince. What skills should I focus on to get more popularity and virtue. What did your mcs do? Which events are crucial for gaining enough virtue and popularity. I would appreciate all of your tips ❤ Please Help ME I’m desperate 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Cari-san](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/choiceofgames/user_avatar/forum.choiceofgames.com/cari-san/32/154922_2.png) [@Cari-san](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/u/Cari-san)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280/946 "2019-12-14T16:36:09Z")
I got engaged to the Princess in my first playthrough. It didn’t seem that hard tbh. I just concentrated on my strong traits (wit and poise in my MCs case, but I don’t think it actually matters which are your strong traits as long you pick the options tied to them) all through the game and whenever the opportunity arised I picked to be affectionate towards Rosario even in public after the Winter Ball. Maybe joining the prefect comittee might not be the best choice tho since I think that might lower popularity a bit, while joining the Starlings might cause a decrease in virtue(?). [Previous page](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280.md?page=46) [Next page](https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/creme-de-la-creme-discussion-and-romance-guide-spoilers-within/43280.md?page=48)