Community College Hero: Knowledge is Power (old WIP thread, now closed)

[The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla]

@Ponku

Again, like i said, she teaches teamwork, not trusting eachother. After sparring daily they know they can trust other person’s abilities, not that that other person will do everything to keep them alive. One of the most important parts of military training is bonding teammates. Not only to train them to work together. And downfall does not teach that, and even by that comment, she discourages that. They can understand eachother in a fight, but they do not know they can depend on eachother solely by her teachings.

That’s just it, Teamwork comes with trust. If none of the students trusted each other to watch over the other’s back no one would’ve pasted that test. But thanks to the challenge DF’s test posed to them all, it’s makes the students have to learn how to trust and work with each other. She most definitely doesn’t teach trust, but sure as heck puts you in a position where you have to forge some trust with your team. Considering the fact that we had to train together, formulate plans of action together, and the fact that she was able to get even Stoic to show some great initiative speaks volumes. Stoic’s act proves that in a harsh but effective way, DF’s has helped at least a few of the students of Speck to watch out for their friends. Not saying DF deserves all the credit for the things they’ve learned, but just because DF doesn’t teach bonding doesn’t mean were aren’t.

@Ponku

That depends on the aspirations of specific students. Most of them have no chance of “playing in the big league” and they realise that. For minor help on low level crimes, their attitude is enough. The ones who really want to be the high level force, they already know that this is a serious bussines and didn’t needed the reminder.

Crime is still crime and it isn’t something to take lightly no matter what your rank. Just look at Gotham city, most low level threats there don’t even have powers, but are still highly dangerous even though they aren’t as dangerous as the things Superman fights. Just because you’re a low level hero doesn’t mean trouble will not come your way. I’m not saying that all students should aim to be as great as Batman, but you should at least aim to be the best you can be so you’re ready when it’s your time to shine and defend your city,town, office,police precinct or even nieghbor.

@Ponku

How? Is this mentioned in the game? For me personally i don’t see this event as a more motivation to improve yourself. Tress, MC, Stunner, they already got high motivation to improove themselves and play in the big league. Nothing in that event added to it.

The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla:

Okay first plz don’t think i’m being a dick for saying this, but you can’t expect the the story to tell you everything. Sometimes you have to read between the lines to pick up on curtain things. Think about it like this, in the DF fight Tress and Stunner both got taken down hard, but at the sametime they got a glimpse of what they could do if they keep pushing themselves to reach new heights. Stunner probably never thought he could cause shock waves with his punches, but now he sees there is more to his powers than he first thought. Tress saw DF lifted a person completely off the ground with Tress’s powers. This is a feat Tress has yet to display. She would end up feeling just like Stunner. As for the MC, this loss is a good example of one of the times boxing training and a sling shot won’t be enough. This along with the death of Origami, would help motivate the MC even more than before to become a greater hero so they’re never helpless again.

@Ponku

I disagree on that. They still are the same humans like others. Their abilities are nothing more than a fancy gear could achieve.

Gear breaks down when it hits it’s limit, but when humans or super humans reach their limit they always have a chance for adreniline to kick in and give them a boost past said limits. Super Hero Tech is one of the most powerful weapons in fictional history no question about it, but it has been brought down by the real thing just as many times as it’s won against it. I respect your opinion, emotionally and mentally yes they are similar. Although, they’re not like everyone else physically or biology, that is just a scientific fact that you nor I can argue with.

@Ponku

In regard to highest grade heroes it may be different, but most of the students will never achieve that level. Their strength lies in numbers and teamwork. They are nothing more than a military/police force. If one of them fall down, other must take their place. If one of the big heroes die, none of the Speck students would be able to take their place alone. Only as a group. So as a group we must be the best possible machine working together. And her teachings makes us a good machine, but not the best. In that she fails to prepare us to the best possible way.

You don’t know that for a fact. Just because a person starts from the bottom doesn’t mean they can never reach the top. Shine,Mob, the MC,Crook, Stoic, Rain,Combat Wombat and even Quickie could do a great deal of things 10 or 15 years from now. Not saying Team Work isn’t important, but these guys have idividual potential to,we shouldn’t forget that. If you’re only effective in a group, that doesn’t speak too highly of how dependable you are on your own. Honestly the only thing DF failed to do was teach and practice restraint. Thanks to her, and the rest of the teachers all Specks students were able to go through a trial by fire that helped form a bond so strong some of them trust each other with their secret identities.Even now in the new semester we see them forming a Team and planning a party. If that isn’t enough proof that they’re a trusting group of friends, I don’t know what is.

[Ponku]

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

That’s just it, Teamwork comes with trust. If none of the students trusted each other to watch over the other’s back no one would’ve pasted that test.

They trust each other abilities, but she doesn’t teach them to trust eachother as companions. I don’t know how else i can explain what i mean, other that what i already wrote. Trusting that your teammate have an ability to help you is not the same as trusting that your teammate will do everything in their power to help you, even endangering themselves. She teaches that to be strongest they may needd to sacrifice the teammate, with that question she asks during training.[quote=“The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla, post:2069, topic:12179”]
but just because DF doesn’t teach bonding doesn’t mean were aren’t.
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And that’s what i mean saying that her teachings are not the best. Students bond between themselves despite of her teaching, not because of it. Which means she isn’t preparing them in the best way possible. But in a flawed way.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

I’m not saying that all students should aim to be as great as Batman, but you should at least aim to be the best you can be so you’re ready when it’s your time to shine and defend your city,town, office,police precinct or even nieghbor.

That may be true. So her harsh teaching is beneficial to them. I didn’t claim that it isn’t at all. I’m not sure that breaking Tress arm was adding to it though. Still don’t see how any of the students would think that they will never get hurt at all.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

Although, they’re not like everyone else physically or biology,

But biology doesn’t define their humanity. Here, the heroes are defined by their grades. As far as we know they cannot have stronger power than their grade. When they reach their actual limit, thats it. They can’t rach past that limit in the terms of sheer hero power. So i still think that it is the same as with a fancy gear. When they reach their limit and adrenaline kicks in, they may have a chance of reaching past their perceived limits of their abilities (like every human), not to reach past their power limit.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

you can’t expect the the story to tell you everything.

But, as this is an established universe, we need to base our opinions on the things that are written, or nuanced in the game, otherwise we would just be writing fanfiction.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

in the DF fight Tress and Stunner both got taken down hard, but at the sametime they got a glimpse of what they could do if they keep pushing themselves to reach new heights.

Downfall in the last test shows them what their powers can do. But she isn’t teaching them how to reach it. Just showing them, still, is a start to teach them that, but nothing in breaking Tress arm added to that teaching of reaching their power potential. The fight was already over. She didn’t encite them by that act to rush at her and release their true potential.[quote=“The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla, post:2069, topic:12179”]
As for the MC, this loss is a good example of one of the times boxing training and a sling shot won’t be enough.
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And the MC learns that by failing the last test.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

Thanks to her, and the rest of the teachers all Specks students were able to go through a trial by fire that helped form a bond so strong some of them trust each other with their secret identities.

I disagree on that. It’s not thanks to her. It thanks to the things they go through, not at all thanks to her teachings. Like i said. They bonded despite her, not because of her. Because of her they know how to fight in the team, that’s all. And i don’t think that was her plan. That she will teach tehm how to fight, and leave the bonding to someone else. A best military trainer would teach them both of those things, so she isn’t the best. That’s what i’m saying all along. She may be good teacher to teach them fight, but she isn;t the best she could be, and part of her teaching is in direct opposite to how best she could be. Maybe she should learn to achieve and get past her limit of how good teacher she is or can be, first

In all her teaching she teach her students how to fight, and she is good at it. But we are shown two events that do not add to the good teaching. her encouraging students to hurt their teammates if it can benefits them, which breeds distrust (even if eventually they geet past that, despite her teaching) and breaking Tress arm after the fight ended, not even during a fight (which doesn’t add anything to training, and get her fired).

[lutece]

In the middle of all this, I’m still wondering why Nil still seems to be so freaking awesome v:

[The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla]

@Ponku

They trust each other abilities, but she doesn’t teach them to trust eachother as companions. I don’t know how else i can explain what i mean, other that what i already wrote. Trusting that your teammate have an ability to help you is not the same as trusting that your teammate will do everything in their power to help you, even endangering themselves. She teaches that to be strongest they may needd to sacrifice the teammate, with that question she asks during training.

The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla:

I’m not saying she teachs them to have that kind of trust in them, I’m just pointing out that the things she puts them through have helped us form better trust. I already explained the meaning behind her question with the quote “As iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another”. Another few reasons why it’s impossible for her to want you to sacrifice your teammates are the fact that doing that would get you sent to prison. Secondly, that would be just downright insane and lastly that would make you and her just as bad as the villians you face. I highly doubt DF(someone who clealrly hates criminals)got to the top by herself or by killing her friends. Especially since she gets her powers from others.

@Ponku

And that’s what i mean saying that her teachings are not the best. Students bond between themselves despite of her teaching, not because of it. Which means she isn’t preparing them in the best way possible. But in a flawed way.

No one ever said her way of doing things was the best way or perfect. Everyone is clear on this fact.[quote=“Ponku, post:2070, topic:12179”]
Still don’t see how any of the students would think that they will never get hurt at all.
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Over confidence my friend. Combat Wombat thought he could tank a blow from the Hedonist, someone who is 4 times his power level, and look what happened. It was brave and I respect him for it, but he wasn’t ready for it yet.
Stunner was mad that he didn’t get into Savior even though he barely understands his own super power.
Currently Tress is just expecting all of us to just fall in line(as shown in the Night of Wyvern scene)and work towards her vision instead of a united one. I’m not saying all students are like this, but over confidence is a factor we should keep in mind.

@Ponku

But biology doesn’t define their humanity. Here, the heroes are defined by their grades. As far as we know they cannot have stronger power than their grade. When they reach their actual limit, thats it. They can’t rach past that limit in the terms of sheer hero power. So i still think that it is the same as with a fancy gear. When they reach their limit and adrenaline kicks in, they may have a chance of reaching past their perceived limits of their abilities (like every human), not to reach past their power limit.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter.

@Ponku

But, as this is an established universe, we need to base our opinions on the things that are written, or nuanced in the game, otherwise we would just be writing fanfiction.

Yes, but there things that won’t be stated out right and that we will have to together ourselves. You can’t tell me Stunner wouldn’t get pumped about his own potential because by looking back on his character we can say for curtain it’s part of the way he would feel about seeing his full potential.

@Ponku

Downfall in the last test shows them what their powers can do. But she isn’t teaching them how to reach it. Just showing them, still, is a start to teach them that

I know she didn’t teach them how to reach it. I wouldn’t either, that’s something they got to figure out on their own in their own way. Unlike Hedonist, she doesn’t give hand outs.

@Ponku

but nothing in breaking Tress arm added to that teaching of reaching their power potential. The fight was already over. She didn’t encite them by that act to rush at her and release their true potential.

Never said her lesson did anything to help them improve their powers, just their motivations to improve as students and heroes.

@Ponku

I disagree on that. It’s not thanks to her. It thanks to the things they go through, not at all thanks to her teachings.

And who put them through some of those things? Her and the rest of the teachers. You can’t tell me they had nothing to do with the growth of their friendship because that simply isn’t true. During all the assignments they put the students through, they all bonded thanks to said challenges.

@Ponku

They bonded despite her, not because of her. Because of her they know how to fight in the team, that’s all. And i don’t think that was her plan. That she will teach tehm how to fight, and leave the bonding to someone else.

That’s why I said “and the rest of the teachers”. At no point do I claim DF does all the work.

@Ponku

A best military trainer would teach them both of those things, so she isn’t the best. That’s what i’m saying all along. She may be good teacher to teach them fight, but she isn;t the best she could be, and part of her teaching is in direct opposite to how best she could be.

The problem with that logic tho is that there is no best way to train a super powered fighter or fighting force. It all comes down to teacher, students, goal, and combat style. Another problem is we have no idea what she was going to teach us next semester, so for all we know she was planning on doing it your way now that the foundation was complete. She was almost as closed off as Nil so there is no way of predicting her true intentions with 100% certainty.

[lutece]

Would love to see Hedy and Captain California getting rekt by Downfall and Nil.

Not hinting, just saying (@Eric_Moser)

[The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla]

• Wyvern
• Lady Ash
• Stunner
• Hedonist
• Mega Cat
• Manipulator
• DownFall
• John Cena

If you could have a rematch or first fight with only one of these characters who would u pick

[ParrotWatcher]

Much as I want to crush a certain porcelain teacher, the number one has to be Manny herself.

[The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla]

I wonder who voted for Stunner

[lutece]

Is there even a doubt? That John Cena’s really asking for it!!!

[Personaddict07]

I just finished replaying CCH1 yesterday and had a lot of fun. This will be my first time in trying this WIP out.

@Eric_Moser would you consider changing the stats screen a bit? Perhaps like so:

Stats:
Pow (Strength): 6
Zap (Ranged): 1
Thud (Defense): 6
Whoosh (Speed): 8
Shhh (Stealth): 2
Hmmm (Awareness): 2

since it’s rather tedious to keep scrolling down on a small android phone. It’s easier to memorize too and using comic book “expressions” is a nice touch so replacing them is not an option I think. And instead of using numbers, why not use bars like the other CoGs?

I also recommend capitalizing the gender choice (female, male, etc.) in the stats screen for uniformity.

Just my two cents

[Eric_Moser]

Yes I might bump the primary stats to be higher up on the stats page. I’ll play around with the stats page when the first draft of the game is done to better determine what stats people are most frequently checking.

And yes bars would be prettier but that requires using fairmath. I don’t want to switch over all the combat coding (that would take forever) so I’m pushing forward with the numbers for primary stats. That being said, something big will happen to the primary stats in Part 3, so that might give me the opportunity to switch them over to fairmath for the last part of the trilogy.

I’m glad you enjoyed your replay! I hope you also find some fun stuff in the Part 2 WiP

[Personaddict07]

Something big? Ooh intriguing.

Didn’t realize it was so complicated lol. (I know nothing about coding). But I’m glad you get a chance to spend time with Mom in Part 2 and dig up Dr. Stench stuff from the past. It was one of the parts that intrigued me the most in Part 1.

[Ponku]

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

I’m just pointing out that the things she puts them through have helped us form better trust

Which things? I don’t remember her having any agenda in what is happening outside the training lessons, but i did played long time ago. I thought that the things students get through in life outside of school are the ones that contributing to building trust in eachother (as opposed to a trust in eachother abilities, like i said).

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

I already explained the meaning behind her question with the quote “As iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another”.

I don’t see how this explain her question. Do you mean that if one of them is tronger it also makes other strive to be stronger? I did already answer that to work as a stronger unit they need to trsut their lives to eachother. And her question is the opposition of forming that kind of bond.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

Another few reasons why it’s impossible for her to want you to sacrifice your teammates are the fact that doing that would get you sent to prison.

Not necessarily. In fight many things may happen. And soldiers do not get sent to prison if they fail in battle to protect their squadmates. This makes them worse soldiers, but not criminals. I can see Downfall to be that kind of person that would sacrifice her teammates if that would make her stronger, and in her mind then make her better better at fighting criminals. Especially as we see that she failed to predict that breaking Tress arm will have consequences of getting her fired, so she isn’t the best at recognising how rules work.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

Over confidence my friend. Combat Wombat thought he could tank a blow from the Hedonist, someone who is 4 times his power level, and look what happened. It was brave and I respect him for it, but he wasn’t ready for it yet.Stunner was mad that he didn’t get into Savior even though he barely understands his own super power.Currently Tress is just expecting all of us to just fall in line(as shown in the Night of Wyvern scene)and work towards her vision instead of a united one. I’m not saying all students are like this, but over confidence is a factor we should keep in mind.

Well, i must agree wit you then. You had me at dissadvantage here remembering more from the game than me

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

Never said her lesson did anything to help them improve their powers, just their motivations to improve as students and heroes.

And i still think that braking Tress arm after the fight was over, didn’t add to their motivations in any way. Why would it? “We should perform bettter in training or the instructor will break our arms otherwise”? That’s… not the way instructors should work…

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

That’s why I said “and the rest of the teachers”. At no point do I claim DF does all the work.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

During all the assignments they put the students through, they all bonded thanks to said challenges.

That would work if one of her methods wouldn’t stand in the opposition of forming that bonds.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

Yes, but there things that won’t be stated out right and that we will have to together ourselves.

I know. That’s actually how our whole conversation works

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

The problem with that logic tho is that there is no best way to train a super powered fighter or fighting force.

But there is a best way to train a good fighting force. But as we disagree on the topic that the Speck students are similar to military/police force with fancy gear, or not, then i think we will disagree on that topic too.

@The_Otaku_Dragon_Sla

No one ever said her way of doing things was the best way or perfect. Everyone is clear on this fact.

And that’s what i’m saying all along I’m just pointing out in which points her teaching is flawed and could be better. Like i said, she tries a military-like training for her students, but she fails at few points, that correcting them would make her a better teacher.

[Ponku]

I would love to have a rematch with John Cena. He got me by surprise the first time

[Eric_Moser]

Well the good news is that the MC will definitely get the desired rematch with two of the top three choices! (MC would need numerous upgrades to handle John Cena though)

John Cena’s CCH Stats:
Pow: 1,000,000
Zap: 20 (tosses his cap!)
Thud: 1,000,000
Whoosh: 50
Shhh: 1,000,000 (MC can’t even see him!)
Hmmm: 100

[lutece]

his power is invisibility

[Faded]

@Eric_Moser

(MC would need numerous upgrades to handle John Cena though)

Or just an RKO outta nowhere.

See? Not even Iron Man could escape it.

[AAO]

John Cena pops out of nowhere,beats the Hedonist’s ass,then dissapears.

This is canon to me.

[ProjectEkerTest33]

That’d be me. My second character was a soldier so lost the capture-the-flag because they didn’t want to shoot Origami which led to a long rivalry with Stunner involving the use of stationery as a weapon

[DevilDog_1999]

My question is will we finally meet up with Jacob and is their a slight possibility thru a zenith transfusion that he gets powers and be the MC’ s sidekick or will he continue to be our little buddy? What is his fate?!?