Community College Hero 2: Knowledge is Power (Post 1910: DG social media takeover is LIVE)


#1912

I feel ya (scroll back in a couple threads and you can find some pretty long and impassioned arguments from me in favor of the Smarts as ROs) but the author’s settled on who will and won’t be romancable already, so that line of discussion is pretty much wrapped up. (Currently on mobile, but I’ll take a look and see if I can find his post talking about it. Found it!) Ultimately, at the MC’s current level, they and the Smarts are just on too different of walks of life for anything believable to work out.

But, romance aside,

I don’t know about pages of extra dialogue, but I think you can rest assured that the game will take note if the MC is on Savior’s side. We aren’t really sure how much more content the MC is going to get with any of the heads of schools, but it’s a pretty safe assumption that the Smarts will at least make another appearance, and I would be surprised if there weren’t differences in interactions if you’ve got a high Savior stat


#1913

Ah thanks for the heads up. And I get his point about the analogy of superheroes dating a simple guy. But in hope that the author reads this comment and reconsider is a possibility.

They might be far from the MC’s league, but that’s judging from the difference of their class, not them as a person and romancing them. It might seem bizzare, but I honestly think it would be unique to go unorthodox with the writing and find a way to maybe make this work with his amazing talent to be able to form stories and scenarios.

And this is just my opinion and I’m not forcing the author to make this happen, It’s up for him to decide. But disregarding the social status, and looking at the MC and Booksmart/Streetsmart as a person, maybe there’s a way to make them close but requires a high stat.


#1914

Bookie is too powerhungry for anything to work out.
We had similar things happen in other games an IIRC it did leave a sour taste in the mouth of quite a few as there wasn’t much a foundation to making the char in question an RO…


#1915

I’m so used to comic book and anime that i can’t fucking stop seeing all the characters except the ‘adults’ as goddamn Hight Schooler, that’s why i keep doing double take every time i arrived at the ‘Hedonist’s ‘favor for good grades’’ part.

It’s also probably why i was shocked that Crook was married, i just have a hard time remembering they are all in college and that i had a 35 years old in my college class.

Would be funny if we could turn Specks into an illegal school for vigilante, though the law teacher might not be happy about it, all i know is that i’m fully on Specks side, the others should just have taken me in from the start if they wanted my loyalty.


#1916

Well, there’s nothing impossible when writing a story. It just needs the right scenario to make things happen. I think it left a bad taste on other games because things happened so quickly. I’d say the best way to make this work is make this a long term thing with where the MC proves their loyalty to the Smarts, and as they grew close, Bookie and Streets see potential in you as something more than just a hero.

I kinda relate to Booksmart’s personality, and being a logical and analytical person, It’s hard to fall in love without analyzing every possibility of pros and cons of being in this relationship.

Hmm, I dunno, maybe consider making a scene where Booksmart got outsmarted and now she needs help? I doubt the Dozen would kill her after all the knowledge she’s keeping in her noggin, but this suggestion is just one of many ways to get them close.

You don’t have to necessarily put it right away in CCH 3, Mr. Author, just maybe give us a hint somewhere of being able to get close to the Smarts.


#1917

Not impossible? Maybe. But very ill advised.
Making any character an RO just because a few readers would like to see it… never ends well.

If you want your mc and bookie to hook up, I advise writing fanfic.

And what you are asking for is, pretty much, throwing bookie’s personality etc overboard to add in a last minute ro.

Please, no.

Edit: also kindly stop with the “make this happen mr author” eric has made his decision before so kindly refrain from, well, insisting he’ll put cleaver and crowbar to an already complex story to make your ship happen.


#1918

This is a gentle reminder to please keep posts centered on the topic and debate the points being made, and not centered on the people making them.

This includes calling out an author in feedback - not only is that creating potential friction but it is not actionable feedback an author can use.

This discussion about the Smarts is becoming a circular argument. To avoid that: if you have already stated your position, please take a short break and allow others to share their perspective too.

Please avoid repetitively hammering a single view without adding anything new.

@Prolone -

Welcome to the community - it is against the forum rules and etiquette to ask about progress and to make demands of the author/developer in WiP threads.

Most authors are kind enough to entertain changes to their story and will listen to suggestions but once they make a creative decision and state a topic is closed for feedback - please respect their wishes. (Eric is such an author who often goes out of his way to listen).

Thanks for becoming a member here and for following the rules.

@everyone -
Finally, if you see disrespectful posts please do not reply to them. Rather please use the report feature and let forum staff de-escalate friction.


#1919

Hey everyone,

I would have jumped in sooner but I am just too busy to check threads constantly.

Basically, as others have said, ROs are already set (and frankly 6 is too many, but I’m going with it).

And Bookie has her sights set on…well let’s just say it’s a lot more important than a romance with a 20-year-old…so no Bookie romance, but as others guessed, I do want to write some scenes that are dependent on your school allegiance. The only question is…do any players actually favor Savior or Prestige instead of Speck?

I am working on a deadline for another project this month, but I plan to write more CCH3 early in 2019.


#1920

I don’t, fuck them, why would i support a camp that only want me when i’m useful and already in position to get whatever i want anyway ?

And it would be pointless for both side, if i switch i am not to be trusted by them either and they aren’t to be trusted by me since they didn’t accept me until now.


#1921

I’ll fully admit it’s been a minute since I replayed CCH2, (and this is a Patreon exclusive but I don’t know how many folks on the thread are up to date on it, but I haven’t seen any CCH3 content either) so it’s possibly I’m missing or misremembering details that would color my thoughts differently, but I’ve always gotten the impression that the Savior vs Prestige allegiance measurement felt more notable than Savior vs Prestige vs Speck. Like … you’re at Speck. I’m pretty sure there are players who want to be able to get into Prestige or Savior but it can also feel like it’s a bit of a given that you like Speck?

If nothing else it’s the only school that really feels written entirely sympathetically. Prestige and Savior both feel like–setting aside that I adore Booksmart and will continue to do so in defiance of whatever various things she says and does or will say and will do–the text of CCH2 feels like it considers them on a pretty “jerk with a point” level at best, with it being up to player interpretation how much they might or might not have a point or how much they are or aren’t a jerk. Booksmart is controlling but wants to eliminate evil and pain in the world, so eh? MegaCat is a classic traditional hero but is … also super controlling and pretty militaristic, so also eh? (I mean, also everybody is secretive but so’s Tolly so I’m leaving that aside.) I mean I could sit here and rattle off points (Mendell is an ass, but so was Stunner in game 1 so it isn’t like “people who feel powerful can be jerks about it sometimes without necessarily being bad people” isn’t well established in the lore of the game; we can’t really know how honest the Smarts were but MegaCat didn’t even see the students so like, which is worse? I know what I think but that doesn’t make me correct) but it continues to mostly be a gut thing, whichever school the player thinks is more or less right. The MC feels very much at an arm’s length with all of the schools–the MC sees what the school has decided to show them, and nothing else.

Whereas in Speck, kind of all the “do I trust them” is just about Tolly in specific–and, here, I’m gonna put a pin in this and come back to it. But overall you get a way more sympathetic view of Speck. You know all of the students, you’re encouraged to bond and get close to at least a few of them. At one point the player is directly told “even the cast members you don’t know on an individual level have their own rich lives outside of what you’re made aware of,” in a humanizing scene you don’t get with characters who aren’t aligned with Speck.

Which is all a fairly long winded way of expressing that I feel like “Savior vs Prestige vs Speck” doesn’t really feel like a 3 way rivalry, either in scale or in characterization. Measuring the big schools up against Speck ends up with “who do you like better: your choices are two guys on bus yelling unsourced callout posts about each other or your mom,” or "who do you feel is better equipped to save the world from the most powerful and destructive forces that could possibly join forces: two guys who have budgets or, again, your mom, who’s a nice lady who it does seem like has more influence than you’ve been initially led to believe, but is still like, one lady working at a community college and I would like to repeat and emphasize that the other guys have budgets,"and the weighting feels so unequal as to stop me from really processing Speck as being an institution I should think about in the same terms as Savior or Prestige.

And coming back to the pin–whether or not you trust Speck is about whether or not you trust Tolly, so maybe instead of “Savior vs Prestige vs Speck” I should be thinking “Smarts vs MegaCat vs Tolly,” but that still feels pretty imbalanced. Tolly is still just a much more intimate and prominent character, so when I think about her and directions that she could go in it just feels a lot more open ended than with the Smarts or MegaCat. Revelations about Tolly are just by default going to have a much bigger impact on the MC–who knows her on a personal level, sees her regularly, and has their education and future tied up with her. If there’s a book 3 twist that Streetsmart is evil–alright, cool. We already know the MC isn’t on their level, so on some level it just matters less what they’re doing–but like, oh my gosh, book 3 reveal that Tolly is a robot alien sent from the future to murder all the birds and like, that’s gonna have some personal impact on my character. It has to, it can’t not. Like do my credits still count? Will they transfer when I inevitably find an alternate higher education than one led by the anti-bird-alien-bot? And I’m probably kind of sad about Tolly not being a person. If it turns out Booksmart isn’t a person I’ll also be sad but like, I didn’t really know her. We met like once. There’s just a level of personal investment with Speck and Tolly that’s unavoidable and that I don’t think Savior or Prestige will be able to (or care to) match by the time the “Speck vs Prestige vs Savior” match-up is going to start to have effects.


#1922

…Holy fucking shit, that’s one hell of a wall of text, biggest i’v seen on that thread XD

also i’m in on that whole killing all the birds business, let’s do what a meteor couldn’t and finish the dinosaur !

I want to add that we already went full ‘Defense of Helms’s deep’ for speck once, you can’t have an epic defense battle without getting attached.


#1923

Gotcha. Sorry for the late response, I never got any notification. I was never really intending to provoke anyone in my suggestion. I understand @MeltingPenguins that Booksmart’s personality would be altered, and I was just exploring the possibilities of why it won’t be possible.

I was never insisting on making this happen. Chill. I would write a fanfic if only I was capable of making stories up or I got more information to what Booksmart really is.

I also never wanted to throw her personality away for the RO, I mean, that’s the reason I suggested the idea in the first place, because she seemed mysteriously interesting. I just thought maybe there’s a way to make things work, and I have no clue what CCH 3 is gonna bring so I’m clueless to what’s happening on the beta and how severe the situation is in the story for a RO to even happen.


#1924

I’m looking forward for the next one.

CCH 1 and 2 were awesome and I can’t wait for 3. I bet you’re tired of hearing it, but I’m a huge fan. :v:


#1925

Yes honestly, I know we have friends at speck and it’s arguably the most moral but Prestige has the best training and the most experienced teachers. My mc wants to become the strongest he can be so he was always set on going there if he ever could.

Also a design question, why did you make the stat bonus mom times strictly limited to each mom archetype. Like how you only get speed and strength bonuses with cheerleader mom


#1926

I’d say saying Prestige has the best training would be false, they just have the most money and already only accept the elite, when you only take the already extraordinary, it’s not really hard to make them somewhat impressive.

While Speck pretty much take the bottom of the barrel and train them with some shoestring budget and yet the students can take on a member of the dozen by themself (one of the weakest but still) even if you send Hedonist away.

that’s like Ivan Drago’s training vs Rocky’s training, Rocky’s look freaking cheap but he is the one who end up the strongest in the end.

and their teachers aren’t really all that above the Speck teacher, i mean, Prestige does end up poaching Downfall from Speck after she get kicked out and Hedonist is more than qualified to handle an attack of the dozen too while also having to protect tons of weak inexperienced heroes or civilians.

the only real avantage prestige and savior probably have is in PR training and ‘stress resistance’ training (as Combat Wombat clearly lacked, the fight in Knowledge is power took everything out of him on that front).


#1927

See that’s the thing, if low levels are able to beat a high level with a shoestring budget training then imagine how strong students with even better training and abilities can do. (If we ignore plot armor)

Well Ivan’s training was high tech and top of the line Rocky’s was better mostly because he went 110% non stop. He pushed more then Ivan and that’s what let him win.
Now imagine how strong they would be if they went 110% with better equipment. They could outdo themselves due to having better “boost” essentially


#1928

Nothing say that Prestige or Savior have the same training as Speck but just with better equipement, for all we know, they are just throwing all their money to some ‘developped in laboratory’ training regiment that work on paper but ain’t worth shit in practice.

Well, it’s more like Rocky played with his strenght and just observed and learned from the russian land rather than the aseptized unpersonal training Ivan had gone through, Rocky’s training fitted his growth as a person and a boxer while Ivan had to fit his training rather than the other way, making him woefully unprepared to fight anyone that exceeded what his training regime considered ‘optimal’.

to get 110% with better equipement, you’d be better off with trying to get more fund for Speck rather try to jump to Savior where we have no reason to think they work as effectively on a basic level than Speck (the fact Speck is obtaining better results than Savior with less alone show that Savior just doesn’t have a ‘Speck but with budget’ training program, without forgetting how they over monitor their students, as shown when you call your friend who changed school).


#1929

Heh…
Savior is all about the prestige, prestige is all about a speck of what makes a hero, and speck’s all about saving people.

I swear I’m not high


#1930

I’ve got nothing, your right on all parts. Damn it now I need to rewatch the Rocky movies


#1932

I wish you taking down the wyern(?) had more impact on your reputation, all you get are some “Well done” 's from your teacher and a few “Wows” from your classmates, that’s all. The only non zenith dude just defeated a villain by himself while the whole school full of zeniths and speck entire police force didn’t do shit. The books are great nonetheless and I can’t wait for part 3. Keep up the good work Eric.