Choice of Rebels-Uprising Help/Hints

Norilinde · 2018-04-14T21:00:56.625Z

Iskrylon:

I really want to save Breden, but i cant figure out how.

Eclipse:

it can be done because I did it in my playthrough, couldn’t tell you how to go about it though. Maybe the specifics you are seeking are in the Xor thread.

From the XOR 1 WIP thread by @Havenstone :

It may need a do-over, alas, but if you have

sufficiently high morale (vis-a-vis the size of your band)
a high leadership score for Breden (say, if you made them your deputy and/or gave them lots to do through the winter)

a 2 CHA [Edit: nope]
it should be possible to save Breden, though depending on your stats and choices you may need to kill Radmar to do it.

If you have the choice to imprison Breden, they should also disappear in the fight leaving no body behind them. For whatever’s that worth.

and also by @Havenstone:

But with CHA 2 you should be able to

Edit: on further review of the code, CHA 2 is otherwise useless for saving Breden. Either you or they have to have enough leadership cred to stop the angry mob (represented by high morale for you and a high leadership score for them) or you need to have them tied up to be dealt with when everyone’s cooled down a bit.

If you have the option to send some of the band away and remain at High Crag to delay the army, you can send Breden away as the leader of the fleeing folks, and thus avoid the whole unpleasantness…

Frogs:

I did this before, what you need is either for the band to have high morale so they’d accept your leadership or have Breden have enough power and influence (by managing the winter as your second in command, taking leadership choices etc)

Also it’s harder with high population cause the code says the morale has to be higher than the amount of followers, so with a small band it’s much easier.

The relevant portion of the source code noted by @Frogs is:

          *label dotheyaccept
          
          *if (morale < followers) and (bred_lead < 16)

idonotlikeusernames:

You don’t need mess with religion, you can even be openly skeptical. They obeyed my mc as well, if you choose that you want to investigate more or delay judgement or something like that, can’t recall the exact option. But that should save Breden (for now, my mc is just keeping him/her until he can find an equally charismatic and preferably skeptic follower to fill Breden’s useful niche) .

Picking I don’t believe he did anything wrong. This is all just a terrible accident. in my experience requires using your best skill to stop Radmar and for a wisard that means wasting blood. I always did think it was rather twisted that even if you believe Breden and are romancing Breden, you are still better off confronting Breden if playing a wisard. What I personally do on those occasions when my MC is willing to continue enduring Breden’s personality is I confront and question Breden. followed by I don’t know what to believe…and I’m not going to see anyone killed until I know more.

A skeptical replacement for Breden appears to already be available.

  *if skep > 74
    the day when your scouts inform you that what appears to be an entire village has left the Norther Rim and is moving toward you. 
    
    You send ${deputy} to meet their leaders and find out who they are and why they're coming.  ${deputy} returns and, sounding slightly bemused, explains: "They're coming to meet
    *if liebreaker
      ${fname} Lie-Breaker—the
    *if not(liebreaker)
      the 
    Great Disbeliever."
    
    Apparently your well-known skepticism has attracted a heretical community from the far-distant mountains where ${whendery} meets the Shayard Reach.  The Disbelievers have been persecuted for years by the Ecclesiasts, in part for their agnosticism about the existence of Angels, but especially for their radical insistence that to believe anything based solely on authority is a sin.  
    
    They were inspired to begin the long trek southwest when they heard (an apparently somewhat exaggerated account) of your defeat of Zebed and Chirex, spread by Theurges in the Reach, which made you sound like the epitome of sacrilegious disbelief. 
    
    Their leader Etthena is a persuasive, charismatic woman of middle years—but she's willing for now to cede to you.

Havenstone:

I hear this, and after the next XoR update, the following response should be available when Breden asks you to dance:

#“With you? I’d sooner throw myself into the fire.” I can’t keep my dislike for ${xhim} in check any longer.

The new option for rejecting Breden at the end-of-winter celebration was just so satisfying even if out-of-character a slightly more diplomatic response might have been better for the good of the rebellion.

That momentary, treacherous flicker of attraction only fuels your fury. “You think you can throw insults at me, call me brainsick to cover up your own cowardice, and still expect a dance?” Your sharp, humorless laugh is probably audible from the Rim. “Go to Taratur, boy. You’ll never have me.”

The outlaws all around you fall silent, shocked at your public shaming of such an influential band member. All Breden’s muscles are tensed as if to run, or strike you. “Angels, de Serin. Where…? All I asked was a bloody dance, and you…”

“Wanted to be plain.” You hadn’t realized before how much you’d resented holding your tongue for the peace of the band. “We’re not friends, Reaper, and certainly nothing more than friendly. Don’t act as if we were.”

“No damned fear of that, Captain.” As his shock recedes, Breden’s face comes to mirror your own contempt. “I know where I stand now.”

Within minutes, Breden is in Ciels’s arms again, circling the bonfire, pointedly ignoring you. Perhaps unsurprisingly, no one else dares ask you to dance. His many friends in the band cast hard glances at you; Radmar, on the other hand, bares his teeth in evident approval.

My MC had to hold the MC’s tongue for years about the Hegemony and then having to do the same thing about Breden was just too much and my MC was so tired of having to tolerate Breden’s personality. The only person with whom my MC would have wanted to dance might not be into dancing anyway.

@Havenstone Hypothetically speaking, if Yebben does become a RO, in what sort of people might Yebben be interested?

Iskrylon · 2018-04-14T21:26:37.340Z

My game immediately opens up into the stats screen, and there is no option to exit it, can somebody help me.

Note: I’m on android, and I would like to avoid restarting if at all possible.

Iskrylon · 2018-04-14T21:32:08.627Z

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Notice the show stats button in the top right

idonotlikeusernames · 2018-04-14T21:45:18.773Z

Norilinde:

A skeptical replacement for Breden appears to already be available.

Yes, but not to my mc, his cosmpolitanism apparently outstrips his skepticism, so I got the Wiends but not the skeptics. Which means my mc has no potential, charismatic replacement of more amenable inclination available to him right now.
I know this is because my mc at this point largely stays out of the religion mess except to re-iterate numerous times that he himself is a skeptic and doesn’t want Linos preaching to the band. But that’s about it. Since charisma is not his strongest attribute he has not dared try his hand at preaching himself.

Eric_knight · 2018-04-15T03:41:25.917Z

I am using Android and encounter similar issue , but don’t worry , you should see a " < " symbol at the top left of your phone… press it and you will return to the game… it happen to ALL the games, so that’s how you can return to the game

so how is the Breden romance ? you manage to save her ??

Havenstone · 2018-04-15T04:07:10.273Z

Norilinde:

in what sort of people might Yebben be interested?

Pretty sure Yebben is bi. And he’ll be an RO from Game 3.

Iskrylon · 2018-04-15T04:39:40.335Z

I saved him, but I had to restart. Even after I completely shut off the game and reopened it, thge very first page that would show up was the stats page, so yeah. I’m just glad I saved him and brought him with me into the Xaos lands.

Jukka_Sarasti · 2018-04-15T19:22:51.243Z

Iskrylon:

I really want to save Breden, but i cant figure out how.

For me, when Breden is first accused, you need to use make a decision based on your highest stat in order to stop Radmar from immediately killing them (i.e. Theurgy to take their weapon out of their hand, charisma to convince your followers to temporarily stop him, etc.). Then, you need to have high morale so that you can convince your followers to side with you over Radmar.

There might be other ways, but those are the ones that I use.

Iskrylon · 2018-04-15T21:17:30.630Z

I figured it out on my own, but thanks for trying to help, I appreciate it.

LeBaloo · 2018-04-18T02:45:00.088Z

Hi everybody I need some help, I’ve been reading one big part of the game for the first time last night, but might have done it coming back from a party, partly intoxicated, or dare I say completely drunk…
There were some parts I read I don’t fully recall, and some I didn’t really understand
The first, when you talk with your father about him potentially denouncing another healot (whose children joined the rebellion) and he ended up talking about our mother, what was he saying? I think I recall saying his child died and you are some kind of bastard?
And the second is when talking to breden near the waterfall did they admit being a kryptast? The way I read the scene was more like they knew the code they gave us was from a kryptast but on the next scene they cried like we just forgave them something… So being a kryptast…
This was the last scene I read and now before reading again I’d like to be sure to have a full grasp on the story

Eric_knight · 2018-04-18T02:50:54.562Z

LeBaloo:

And the second is when talking to breden near the waterfall

I think Breden never openly admit… i consider the conversation with Breden as "silent acknowledgement "

LeBaloo · 2018-04-18T11:08:42.950Z

That was NOT HELPFUL (I mean yes of course it was, but I understood pretty much the same thing and now I’m all lost and can’t figure out the implications I’m so dumb, I should have just go to bed) anyway thanks for your help (any chance you ca’ help with the father ?)
OK nevermind, it became clearer afterwards thanks anyway

HughMyronBrough · 2018-05-05T14:26:30.438Z

All right, I’m working on a guide for players who want a 2CHA/1COM Inner Voice Helot build that keeps all the rebel leaders alive and soundly defeats the Archon (ie: few combat rounds against the Phalangites). It’s a tough road, but it will lead to a large, fanatical rebellion with many skilled leaders, and Havenstone has said that the latter will pay dividends in future games.

Unfortunately, it will be hard for me to do a week-by-week guide to the winter, because it varies due to chance, though it’s doable regardless of the vagaries of RNG. I’ve settled more on “guidelines for the Winter,” some of which are as follows.

Rations at Healthy for Sick, Subsistence for Healthy.
No Mules Assigned to Sick.
Week 1: Use gold from looting town to buy food. Raid Caravans with Zvad/Elery. Raid mules.
Week 2: Use gold from caravan to buy food. Raid for mules. Scout for mules.

Past that, I’ve found the following things to work well.

-Raid Tithe Barn in Week 3 or 4 (I prefer 4 tbh, meaning in 3, I sell a mule and keep buying bushels).
-Raid a Noble Barn immediately after the first Theurge attacks you.
-Minimally involve Breden. I send her on 2 large recruitment missions, and that’s my hard limit.
-Maximally involve Radmar. I use him on both barn raids and recruiting missions in an ancillary capacity to myself. Yes, Radmar is worse than Zvad at raids and Breden at recruiting…but you want to build up Radmar’s influence.
-Raid the de Merre estate (with Radmar), and do no other major raids. I’ve tried other strategies, and this lets you have the most men…at the cost of some money and arms, but after you have a few hundred arms, men are more important.
-Don’t be discouraged if the game says at the end of Winter that Breden is the most influential. If you’ve done your part in building up Radmar, then when Chapter 4 rolls around, Radmar/Kala/Bethune will ensure that the band follows you.

random-dude-78 · 2018-05-06T09:11:33.764Z

Can we expect a female aristocrat RO for a straight male aristocrat in Game 2?

I really don’t want to meddle with the code in order to make Suzane and Breden both females, but I will if I have to, in order to make my experience enjoyable.

Eric_knight · 2018-05-06T11:28:21.272Z

random-dude-78:

Can we expect a female aristocrat RO for a straight male aristocrat in Game 2?

Honestly speaking , i don’t think it is logical to expect there should be more Female Aristocrat other than Suzanne who would love a Rebel MC ( even though he may originate from Aristocrat) … Suzanne basically sacrifice a lot in terms of family name/honour and comfort lifestyle in order to be with male MC, it is already a rarity for one female Aristocrat such as her to come to us… hence i believe we should be grateful to Suzanne instead of being too choosy and dreaming for another female aristocrat to come to us

random-dude-78 · 2018-05-06T11:54:46.584Z

My MC wants to lead a Shayardene rebellion composed of the aristocracy and the clergy, he has no wishes of fraternising with the lower classes no more than necessary to achieve his goals, and he does only recruits from the yeomen, who he has a neutral opinion of, unlike the helotry for whom he plans to keep under his boot when he gets out that godforsaken forest.

I find the fact that the only female aristocrat RO for straight aristocrat males to be Suzane quite unappealing. I’d prefer if the author gives me a concrete answer, I don’t want to meddle with the code and I don’t want my character to be bisexual, and I certainly don’t want him marrying a woman who’s not a fellow aristocrat.

Eric_knight · 2018-05-06T12:02:03.212Z

Ummm… i think these are all up to the creativity of the author @Havenstone, we as readers cannot control or direct the vision of the author , after all…this is a universe create by the author, and many HG/CoG games let readers choose the gender of the love interest as a way to accommodate a wider audience …

i personally never read any code of HG/CoG and i never felt that it was bisexual to romance Suzanne, of course that is my opinion

random-dude-78 · 2018-05-06T12:19:10.047Z

In order to romance Suzane, you have to pick you’re attracted to a male Breden.
This irritates me, so I hope there would be a noble female option for straight males in Game 2, but as you mentioned, it’s the author’s choice, and I will respect that and tweek the code a bit if needed.

resuri08 · 2018-05-06T13:03:23.073Z

random-dude-78:

In order to romance Suzane, you have to pick you’re attracted to a male Breden.

Does that situation indicate the orientation of the MC? I suppose in order to get my MC’s RO, I have to pick Brenden as a girl correct?

random-dude-78 · 2018-05-06T13:21:50.648Z

If you choose Breden to be female, you will indicate that your character is attracted solely to the female gender, later when introduced to Simon, he will be interested in you romantically, and then you have an option to say you like males as well.

It depends on who you want to romance, my MC despises Breden and wants to marry Suzane, but he has to be attracted to a male Breden in order to meet Suzane and that is bothering me quite a lot.