@poison_mara In Greek culture FATE EXISTS AND IS ALL POWERFUL. fate is inescapable, so a prophecy is fate and inescapable.
It’s unfortunate we cannot wield Fate as a weapon from Kingdoms of Amalur to use against our enemies xD
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Yeah, in Kingdoms of Amalur fate is exactly as unavoidable as for Greeks (the tapestry of fate come from Old Greek mythology after all) Even Gods cannot escape to the fate. Maybe we like the essence have the same powers that the Amalur main character. That could be awesome. The power of destroy the fate .
I played that game. Really great game.
I’m less interested in the story of my character as the reaction of the NPCs to it tbh (because that also tells me something about the characters)…though such a conversation could also help to further shape the MC by changing some stats depending on how the MC sees their own story…or how they tell it (trying to play it down or maybe hoping to manipulate others through winning their pity…)
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I’m catching up to the responses as I go, so I’m not sure if this has been answered or not – but there will be several flashbacks to different lives we’ve lived. @matt_smith, that should answer your question as well. I’ll add it to the FAQ post shortly.
Re: David + Goliath – while that’s a judeo-christian myth/legend/fable (i’m religious but the Bible is basically a bunch of Aesop’s fables for Judeo-Christians, okay. imho), I’m quite certain there are similar tales in Greek mythos. EG: Hercules v. Hydra.
@poison_mara is correct in saying that everything is going to change lol. This has been mentioned several times, so I’ll probably add that to the FAQ as well. The game is in a COMPLETE overhaul, which is why it’s taking so long to push out the next update (as well as the fact that the beta team has been having crummy internet, at best. I don’t even know what happened to a couple of our testers…they seem to have dropped off the face of the planet. I’m gonna message them to make sure they’re still alive and kicking, since it’s been a while since they logged on the forums at all)…
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I very much agree with what you’re saying. I too feel this is a common thing in games that could potentially be handled better. I don’t expect the other characters to be asking necessarily the same type of questions, but just to ask some question. Since the other characters already do know a lot (though the accuracy may be somewhat questionable) about the MC’s history, it would make more sense for them to ask questions to try to figure the MC out as a person. I’m honestly surprised why they haven’t been asking about what it was like for them to be on the run and survive alone.
This is also a good example. The other characters could ask questions about the MC’s views and opinions, which could either present the player with choices or make an answer based on stats or previous decisions. In this case for instance, the answer could conceivably be based on the MC’s morality stat.
I think that by picking the right sorts of questions, you could avoid the feeling of rehashing old ground and potentially even add some more flavor to the MC, as well as to the other character by showing how they react.
This as well. I think it would both be interesting to hear the MC put their experiences into their own, highly subjective, words, and also to see the other character’s reactions to those words.
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Holy shit!
You fucked her up. That’s what i’m talking about. high five What were your stats to get that scene?
I agree, that would be interesting. I mean we don’t have to rehash our whole entire life story but just key points in our life that have a huge impact on us.
I think you misunderstood what I meant. The way I viewed the prophecy playing the story out is when someone puts it into action. The Gods were made aware of the prophecy and by them actively trying to make the prophecy work in their favor they put the prophecy into action, is what I was saying in that post. I know that the Gods can’t control when the Essence is born and that they will either be on Cronus side, The Gods side, or if given the option their own side.
I was just speculating that if we were to have been born a human we wouldn’t know anything about Cronus, The Gods, Demigods, The Essence etc. So what? If we were human Cronus or the Gods would just pop up out of the woodworks when they needed us and say “So your this, this, and that. Also you can do that, that, and this.” and we’re just suppose to help them? We would still receive the Essence but considering we don’t know these people and what their war is about doesn’t mean we’re obligated to help them. We don’t have to pick a side, that’s just what the prophecy says we’ll do.
Apparently in @poison_mara words, in Greek culture, fate is powerful and inescapable which is what the prophecy is. So if that’s the truth when it comes to this game/prophecies and there’s no way to avoid it, or go off course with it then everything i’m saying is basically vetoed.
So is it like what Cronus has experienced? You know, the part that his child would overthrow him, like he overthrown his father? Which is why he tried to eat every single one of them? (Fat lot of good that did for him)
That inevitably cause Rhea to hide Zeus in hope to save him, which spiral down to Zeus actually overthrowing Cronus?
You know, there’s one thing that doesn’t add up to Cronus’s prophecy, if one of your child would overthrow you, why not…you know…don’t make one?
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Because that’s no fun (?) Or someone trusted Durex too much.
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Yeeeaah, I don’t know why he would do that knowing the consequences and plotting their meeting with the inside of his gut as soon as they were born. Maybe if he kept his mouth, esophagus, and the inside of his stomach to himself they wouldn’t have had a reason to overthrow him.
The prophecy doesn’t say anything about defeating anyone, just that we’ll be on his side. It doesn’t even say we’ll banish or hurt the Gods, funny enough. Unless it’s riddled in there somewhere. It does seem very similar though to what’s going on. The Essence was hidden like Zeus and then we’re suppose to end up on Cronus’ side to defeat (?) the gods I guess.
@ThoseCatsAintLoyal The sex must’ve been good. 
I like your username, haha.
Hehe, thanks 
If I didn’t misread the source code (which is horribly formatted in my browser), all you need to do to get that scene is either have Zeus as a father, or don’t take the weapon, and when you meet Sage in the trial, first stare her down, then lunge at her.
I’m not sure it would have ended up that straightforward. I belive it’s been confirmed that the Essence has a history of ending up in the middle of major events, such as the troyan war and the french revolution? Perhaps if the gods had not intervened and made the essence a demigod, it would have nonetheless been reborn somewhere enabling it to be in an instrumental position when the war arrived?
In that case, I’m not sure how easy it would have been for the gods to identify them, considering they didn’t during the troyan war, but I imagine Cronus (and potentially the gods) would try to employ more subtle measures to lure the Essence to their side, rather than coming straight out and explaining everything.
Of course, this would also depend on the shape the war takes, which I don’t think we really know anything about? If it’s full apocalypse from day one, I imagine it’d be harder to be subtle, but if the Essence is already an influential person in the middle of a brewing conflict (like they were during the troyan war), I think extended subtle manipulation would be a much more effective method.
That is, until the bearer turns 18, at which point you can’t really hide it anymore, but hopefully they’d already be seduced to your side at that point.
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Ohhh, you don’t need a huge amount of strength for that? I do remember that scene when you don’t take the weapon, but I don’t think I was able to pull any Black Widow moves.
Haha! Nah, that was just an example, I honestly doubt any of them know how to be that straightforward unless they’re about to be killed.
True, it would be a 50/50 chance of either happening. I’m not sure if the Gods knew it was us during the Trojan war or if they just chose to ignore it. So far there’s no indication of that.
At the same time that doesn’t mean we have to be on either of their sides. We don’t know them nor do we know why they’re - Cronus and the Gods - going to war. So why help them instead of taking a back seat?
With a little sprinkle of lies thrown in there too, haha. I agree they would never be as straightforward as my example was about something that they’re so wary of.
Gods didn’t believe in birth control?
Even in the event he didn’t antagonize them, it’d be bad as seen by Oedipus, it’s stupid. And he didn’t even kill them, he ate them whole, chew your food Kronos!
I wonder if it will come into play if we’re Zeus’s kid?
I really want to meet Grandfather time now…
So who’s considered the first greek god anyway? I mean a few titans are gods, Aphrodite was born before the others, Hades was the oldest out of Kronos’s kids and Zeus is the king…
I know what you said and I pretty much think that saying it’s all the gods fault by enforcing the “ironic” cliché of the prophecy fullfilled by trying to stop it just isn’t the case here.
The war would take place with or without the Essence being informed about it.
We already know that much, we also know that this war is big enough so that mortals will end up with no doubt about the existence of gods.
Cronus position in the war is clear, the gods position is clear, the only wildcard is the Essence. Where the Essence is when the war starts is not important, but that gods and Cronus will end up on war.
That war and Cronus want for revenge are the catalyst for the working of the prophecy not if the Essence is born as demigod or not. And Cronus most likely will search for the Essence to use it if the gods didn’t do it before him. You pretty much ignore that more as one party is involved in the war (and with that in the prophecy) as just the gods.
Also the trope about fullfilling a prophecy by trying to stop it is more often used to show the power of destiny instead of rebuting it. The joke often pretty much is “haha you tried to trick destiny but in the end destiny tricked you” and that the peole trying to stop the fullfilling are in the dilemma to not know if they should ignore the prophecy or work against it. (…I think it’s a lazy way to enforce drama by first letting the protag work for this hope of stoping the evil just to crush it, often leading to a heroic bsod or something similar…it’s lazy and overdone)
In the case of this specific prophecy trying to influence what can be influenced is actually the smarter move if we look at it from the position of risk management: The gods notice that Cronus gets stronger, they know that him coming free will lead to war and they know about the prophecy. And the prophecy gives them a wildcard: the Essence. They don’t know for sure their position even when it sounds rather ominous.
But the gods can guess that Cronus will try to use it for his own gain. And that is a risk. Hell, fighting Cronus even without the Essence being involved could be gamble enough. In the worst case the gods can only win with the help of the Essence.
So they try to at least influence their chances through the Essences, because they are better on their own side instead of ending up as Cronus’ ally. That is actually a rather save move. The other half of the council wants to play even saver by killing the vessel of the Essence to force it into hibernation, so it can’t be used by any side…or at least not effectively. (And without any chance to betray them too)
But the problem in this case would be that Cronus was the one who created the Bearer/Bestower system to control the Essence, so he probably could know a way to bypass it. And in that case the gods would be he ones eith no way to influence the Essence.
Oh and as a few others already said: destiny is a thing in greek mythology and something even the gods respect.
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Oh definitely imo. Idk about your MC though but if the gods/Chronus were savvy enough they’d prey on their desire to be loved/to not go back into crippling loneliness and anxiety from being on the run for years – at least in my case :))
Also with this in mind, I wonder if Rohie will allow us to be able to do the proverbial “screw destiny!” trope :)) or at least manage to somehow defy it. If not, reinterpretation? Like still the same prophecy but just read differently (which somehow gives enough leeway for things to become a wildcard scenario).
In any case, very excited to see Cronus and what he’s planning/fully capable of :> if he can manage a system override so to speak, can’t wait to see all the possible drama of having the MC possibly hurt the team (especially if they’ve grown to care for them)
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Well what the one half of the council pretty much tries to do is a loophole abuse…The Essence will be at Cronus side. And Cronus seems like the type to force the Essence to work for him if they don’t want to, but by making them their hero and trying to build them up to face Cronus in a fight the gods hope to give this “standing at Cronus side” the addendum: to put a dagger in his guts.
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With regards to screwing destiny, I’m not really sure what you mean? Do you mean completely disregarding the prophecy, and refusing to participate in the war in any sense? I vaguely remember Rohie saying that the prophecy would come to light no matter what, and the bearer would end up @ Kronos’s side (though in what context would obviously remain up to you). [quote=“Sammysam, post:7973, topic:15482”]
We already know that much, we also know that this war is big enough so that mortals will end up with no doubt about the existence of gods.
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Really :~0? Where was that said? [quote=“KuraiHeka, post:7970, topic:15482”]
I was just speculating that if we were to have been born a human we wouldn’t know anything about Cronus, The Gods, Demigods, The Essence etc. So what? If we were human Cronus or the Gods would just pop up out of the woodworks when they needed us and say “So your this, this, and that. Also you can do that, that, and this.” and we’re just suppose to help them?
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From a tactical standpoint, it makes sense that the gods interfered in the Bearer’s life and made them a demigod. It’s likelier the Bearer would want to help them if they were attached to Olympus or the gods in some way, and I don’t mean that in a very literal sense. If the gods were to randomly descend upon the Bearer’s life while simultaneously leveling some wild ass expectations their way, the Bearer would likely be too confused/overwhelmed to be of any constructive assistance, and it might even make them vehement to know that the gods only made contact or gave them any sort of info at all when they needed them. It’d make more sense if the Bearer was permitted to form relationships on Olympus, or to endear themselves to the world of the gods @ all, because it’d act as a motivating factor when it came to helping the gods in the war. + It’d obviously make for better opportunities to manipulate the Bearer 
And like some of the others have said, the Bearer would be part of the war regardless of how the gods chose to act.
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Cronus is Lord of Time, I’d imagine he has the ability to peek into the flow of time and prod people into doing the thing he wants. Also, he is a child of two of the Primordials. There will be a massive power difference, since he killed his brothers though, I just wonder how powerful he is.
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Ooooh right. Forgot about that exact line (being at Cronus’ side) :)) it’s been a while since I last played. But yeah, I’m all for loophole abuse :>
@gia, mostly what Sammysam has already mentioned of finding the loophole. Also definitely not in the sense of refusing to participate – how else will the story progress :)) – but rather somehow defy it (I know I mentioned it before)? Idk how else to word it. I’m very much a fan of choosing your own path so yes, I’ll admit bias (HA)
It’s terribly “un-Greek” and probably if it did happen in accordance with Classical lit, it would end in tragedy :)) but all the same, if there’s a sequel (idk if we’ll be having one since Rohie mentioned ages ago there would be but has since started her rewrites) I wonder if we’ll have that chance…that won’t end horribly :)))
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It was more than just a while back but I still found it:
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