Then you wouldn’t be omnipotent. Simple as that.
Ever heard of the philosophical dilemma regarding God and the rock? What you’re proposing is essentially that in a nutshell.
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Interesting, I should really look that up
Exactly FINALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS OMNIPOTENCE DILEMMA. I mean In my education all that’s stuff was so indoctrinated that I found it logical. They weren’t able to indoctrinated in me Catholicism thought. That reminds me the face that put the religion teacher in high school when discovered I was atheist after asked me why I believed in god? Good times. Nuns were more intelligent they never asked about our beliefs. You are in a Catholic school deal with it.
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Well I’d be fine with that. Plus you don’t really “earn” everything in life anyway. And for the bearer themselves they could consider dealing with the seekers, gods, trials or Kronos(?) as “earning” their power or they could just not care like mine. Heck the actual gods didn’t earn their power, they earned their positions only… And they were fated to at least beat the king because Kronos castrated the sky. And if such a thing as fates and prophecies exist does anyone earn anything?
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I found the omnipotent paradox is…actually not as paradoxical as one might think. Yes,a God can create something he couldn’t lift,but what’s stopping him from simply creating the ability to do just that?
For example, a theoretically omnipotent being should be able to create something so heavy,It wouldn’t be able to lift it,but if It isn’t capable of lifting it then that means It isn’t omnipotent. In Its defense, It could also create the strength to lift it,thereby It is omnipotent.Then create something heavier again, then just simply create the strength to lift it again. Rinse and repeat until infinity become a mere child’s toy.
A simpler example is,yes,God can make something so heavy he can’t lift it,currently, but who’s to say he won’t be able to lift it in the next couple of minutes,heck,seconds even? And all he’ll need to do is simply create the strength to lift it.
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that’s the Catholic opinion well more like the rock is subordinate of God if it decides that wants elevate that rock. the rock do it by itself .Nothing could resist God’s intervention. God it’s part of the rock so it has the rock power… Damn is so difficult to explain
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That would still leave you with the same dilemma.
If you grant yourself the strength to lift something previously unliftable, then you’re still unable to create something unliftable by proxy. Simply granting yourself the power to lift something unliftable is declaration enough that you cannot lift the thing in the first place.
And that’s not even taking the idea of a set value into account. The idea is that an omnipotent being can’t create something even they can’t lift, but nowhere does it give a set value of what that thing must be, such as it can only be the prototype of that product. If you create something you can’t lift, and then give yourself the strength to lift it, the fact remains that despite your omnipotence, you’re unable to lift it without help. Which ultimately means you cannot lift it. Which ultimately means you are not totally omnipotent. Which ultimately means you’re not omnipotent at all.
If I lifted a boulder with a bionic arm I could technically lift the boulder itself, but eventually it would come back to the fact that I am unable to lift the Boulder without the bionic arm. So technically, I’m unable to lift the boulder. The bionic arm is, but I am not.
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How many ch.(s) will this game be and r u Planning Of writing on separating the game into ### numbers of books? Like the hero project.
Ah yes God and the rock.
Finite players play within the rules, infinite players play with the rules.
So you’re meaning to tell me that not only must I create something that I can’t lift myself, but also something that my proxy couldn’t lift? Tough crowd I must say.
That actually depend upon which meaning of proxy,is it something or someone that you give authority or power,or is it simply the “tools” which you use to do the deed? Like this supposed bionic arm.
Could you give me your definition of “proxy”? For reference?
For the first case, it is simple really,did or didn’t you give those proxies full authority or the full extent of your power? If you do, you just need to power them up next time. If you don’t then that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re not omnipotent,after all,it’s not the full extent of your power.
For the second case, it’s just a matter of powering it up the next time you use it.
Also, it may just be me but,I don’t think giving yourself the power to do something makes you less omnipotence,after all, you could still do everything,even more so if it’s you that gave you the power to do so, it just prove your omnipotence.
I think I didn’t word myself properly, what I meant is like :
A chump that’s going to take on the champ will need to train,yes?
Now in this case, instead of going through the training Rocky style,our omnipotent being simply give theirself to do that (and more depending their wimp),like instantly gaining the muscle and techniques to “defeat” this “adversary” instead of undergoing a modification, say,like a bionic arm.
Unlike a bionic arm that is technically not a part of you,this power is a part of you,this ability to give yourself power is a part of you, and that means that the power you bestow to yourself is actually yours,even when you don’t have that power in the first place.
Thinking back about it, the main problem is that we don’t know what it meant to be omnipotent, the same way we can’t count infinity, we just define it.
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Don’t worry, omnipotence is confusing
Do the Gods even want the MC to win the trials and become an omnipotent being who could theoretically trump them all in terms of raw power?
Short answer yes and no. My interpretation who has zero probability of being legit but goes well with gods past actions. The 3 would eating us to absorb our powers Cronus style. And yep we will be alive in their bellies like it happened to gods…
First of all, I just want to say that I enjoy this immensely.
Second… I can’t help much beyond typos and grammar, both of which I’ve sort of ignored for now. Though I imagine you already have natives that can be of more help 
Third…! This is just a personal wish but I’ve got to mention that I hope you will continue the story regardless of others input, and that you continue with what you’ve got in your head and don’t pander too much.
goes back to lurking
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Well, they can’t do anything about the omnipotence. The immortality, on the other hand, is likely to be far more “negotiable” than most people here are assuming. 
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They could have planned it so we must win their trials and their war before our 18th birthday and then they can safely kill us.
Or maybe in Pandora’s box our immortality and omnipotence won’t matter, maybe it’s something Cronus made with the essence to specifically contain us when necessary.
If there is so I have no problem . The box situation is the dilemma of the stone over again. If we are omnipotent we should could get out of the box . Or introduce all the universe in the box itself. The box is over you command you could make it disappear. You could make gravity magnetic force and quantums disappear or create another particulars traveling to the pass or the future … OMNIPOTENT They have to have a eating us or absorb us tactic just before be become all powerful. and making that power passed to them instead of us .
No, I’m not saying that at all. What I am saying, is that the need for a proxy in the first place negates the need for a proxy at all in an omnipotent being. An omnipotent being by definition shouldn’t need a proxy for anything at all, because they supposedly have the power to do anything. So the mere need for a proxy in the first place proves that the omnipotent being is not omnipotent, because even if the proxy manages to carry out the action the omnipotent being was previously unable to, the being that can supposedly do everything in the universe was unable to do something without help.
Admittedly my definition of proxy was a little skewed; my definition of proxy is a secondary party that can carry out an action for you, or an outside party that would inevitably involve you in an action. While the second definition is irrelevant, the first one is applicable because even if you can lift something you were previously unable to by proxy, the principle remains that even through lifting some tight by proxy, you needed the aforementioned proxy in the first place. You were still able to create something unliftable, you just circumvented it through circumstances not inherent to your own power. Even though you could still lift this thing through your proxy, the omnipotent being is still unable to lift this thing without the proxy. Returning to my original point.
I think it does, due to the mere fact that you need to give yourself the power to do something; the omnipotent being has no power that they do not possess, that is the definition of omnipotence. So to give yourself that power would be impossible, because you’re trying to give yourself a power you by definition were supposed to already possess.
Here’s the thing, this would work perfectly if the being was not omnipotent. Even if they were extremely close to being omnipotent, this would still work, but the dilemma focuses purely on the omnipotent. You can’t grant the omnipotent any power because by definition there is supposedly no power that they do not possess. That is what made them omnipotent. But the invention of this thing suddenly negates their omnipotence? Are you suggesting a thing that strips them of their omnipotence through its own means, since they apparently cannot rely on their omnipotence to get the job done?
When you don’t actually have that power in the first place…you are not omnipotent. You are extremely close to being omnipotent, but the fact alone that you do not possess the power to do something proves that you are not omnipotent. Even if the power comes from you yourself, the supposedly omnipotent being has no power in the universe that they do not possess.
You are suggesting a being incredibly close to omnipotence, but has not yet reached it. Even if the power comes from you yourself, the fact remains that you aren’t supposed to need it.
Yes, the chump who needs to take on the champ will need to train, absolutely. I completely agree with you. But the idea is that you’re already the champ; you’re already at such an unbearable level that someone could train for the rest of eternity and they still wouldn’t beat you. So the question is could an unbeatable fighter train enough to best someone so deadly even they couldn’t beat them? If the answer is no, then they are not the best. If the answer is yes, then it would inevitably come back to one simple question: "if he was supposedly unbeatable, why did he have to train to beat this person? Surely if he was unbeatable like he was supposed to be, he wouldn’t have to train.
Agreed. There have been debates about this in the past on this thread; I’ve taken part in more than a few, some of which dragged on for a while. It just depends on your perception.
Though really, your perception wouldn’t really matter if it really happened, would it? Omnipotence itself would be outside the realm of logic, hot constrained by the logic and rationality that binds us all. I don’t believe there is a God, but if there is I don’t believe that they would be so simple in their design as to be stymied by a question people proposed in such an age with such a lack of understanding of the universe as the 12th century.
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Maybe we are not truly omnipotent, just very, very close to it but even after that 18th birthday it seems that the Bearer does not get the power to make themselves immortal, so that is one thing that was stripped out of the essence we get access to.
Aeson and the box could similarly be (tiny) pieces of the full power of the essence that we do not get access to. So while Lavei, after their 18th birthday, may be the most powerful being in the universe they are still not omnipotent.
It think that is the most reasonable definition for the restrictions we apparently encounter in-game and the things that would make the Gods plans doable in the first place.
So in short an adult Bearer is powerful, likely the most powerful thing in the universe, but not truly omnipotent. Chronus has apparently seen to it that, if nothing else, we are still limited by our mortal lifespan. Which is why I do not believe the Gods would be so foolish as to give us immortality since mortality is apparently Chronus’s failsafe on the Bearer.
The essence would still be a curse that would make the rest of his/her life terribly dull however.
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The 18 years bearer doesn’t reached omnipotence because the human part making them death before reaching it. I saw like a bomb we have all components inside but we haven’t the activation code. Immortality should be the key to reaching the omnipotence