Children of the Gods (Important poll #12306)

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I honestly can’t even argue against your interpretations, because…eh theoretically with the things we know it’s perfectly possible in the way you interpret it. :sweat_smile:

Aeson certainly is a planner, a long time planner, it doesn’t seem as if he’s telling MC everything just now (even if he could not lie to MC there are many ways to not tell the truth by, well, for example just not talking), and at least the interactions with Calypso are a little bit awkward on both sides, though you anywayseem to argue under the assumption that he is fake in front of everybody to ensure his surviving/position…what is a fair guess? It at least is pretty clear that he is not trusting the gods. (Can’t say by now if it’s really already hatred or not, though it would be understandable)

It’s pretty obviously that his plan by now seem to be in a great way influenced by him wanting to stay alive(understandable), the only thing we can’t really estimate how much he really is acting in front of others… We honestly have never seen him without being surrounded by people he has to act as hero for, expect the one time in the hospital. We didn’t even saw his interactions with Saint, Calypso and Adonis without that filter (though I guess he anyway would act different around them when MC his around alone for the changed dynamic?)

Hm but you certainly gave me an idea to wonder how honest he really can be to his friends. They may know that much of his hero persona is fake but on the other side they seem to see him as “leader”, what is a position that puts also a number of expectations on him. So, how honest could he really be with them? Even if he wants to (or not wants depending on interpretation)… He could be very used to organize and act and plan alone, so most the things he does are delegating, not “teamwork”. Eventually even with his friends.

I mean by now we didn’t have enough time to crack open his shell to pick apart what’s hidden in Aeson’s brain (that got more graphic as I intended it to be), so we can only interpret what we know about him through others and the few time MC got to interact with him, though I would put a greater emphasis on the one time they could talk without others eying them…

And yeah, as nice and sometimes awkward the dads act around the MC, MC has all reason on the world to be wary. Even if there is some honest affection, they made the Bearer/Bestowers demigods to better controll them and to avoid that Cronus may recrute them for his side (or what do I know, maybe Cronus found a way that would grant him full control other the Essence under certain circumstances, by now his endgame seems to consist of overthrowing the gods that overthrew him. No idea if there is some other hidden agenda included). Considering their power, all the hunting down of MC with the Seekers seems rather…dull?

Or it was also the blocker on MCs powers that made them difficult to find…Or whoever is controlling the mindwashed Seekers did disturb the search for MC…:thinking: Maybe both? The blocker should MC protect from being found (by gods) and at the same time both sides searching for MC did disturb each other?

If MC’s powers indeed got blocked by Priscilla and when Saint has cartain abilities in connection to his mother, that may was the reason he was send to search for MC and not someone else? But he was rather suprised about the blocker, so there maybe is also something different going on, that made it difficult to track MC…or it was just some Essence mumbo-jumbo and I put to much thought into it…

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…Why did I write so much? …I get weird without sleep…

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The interpretations people are presenting of various characters’ motivations and intentions seems to be often strongly influenced by their own personal outlooks. Some people are quite trusting and think everyone are being mostly honest (or are lying with good intentions). Other people are very cynical and think everyone are lying to them all the time. And then there are all sorts of varying degrees in between.

As I see it, it’s kinda hard to make any real judgement about the true motivations of the characters when there is so much we don’t know about what is actually going on. We know that we are being kept in the dark, but we don’t know much else. We don’t know who placed the blocker on us or why, we don’t know who are controlling the seekers or why, we don’t know what Priscilla was like, how she felt about anything, or why she left us. We know that there are at least two factions who are after us, but aside from the gods we don’t really know who the other players are. We think that the gods know what is going on, but for all we know they are just covering stuff up to conceal that they’re just as confused as we are.

Of course it is fun to speculate, but I think that’s for the most part all we can really do at this point, and that we should keep that in mind.

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They are, that’s the crux with character/story interpretation. It’s possible to minimize the influence it has by looking first at what the text gives us and then working up from that, by looking at what is likely and supported by the text. But in the end it’s still tinted by the own expectations and expiriences, though it helps to be aware of that.

Still certainly won’t change that there still - even when story is finished - will be many ways to interpret certain actions. In the end there often just isn’t one right interpretation of a character/story, but various ones. Just look at literary scholars doing the academic equivalent of mud wrestling: Debating…

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A piece of literature is not a religion dogma you have to believe. It is an art piece and like that made to be speculated. This game is deep and complex enough to let us have all our opinions and feelings about it. A show that this is a great project. There is no a correct or a false way to adress our characters opinions or beliefs. I personally don’t feel the same that my characters. And discuss about it with the civil people on the forum is really fun and interesting, I am learning a lot of new stuff. So nobody here believes his opinion is better or more correct that anyone else. We are just giving our character or our own personal perspective.

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I’ve seen you claim this before and now my curiosity’s peaked. @poison_mara, what do you think of the characters and the story then? Would you mind shedding the cynical persona you’ve worn for countless games and humor us this once? Cause like you said, this work is very deep and could be interpreted in numerous ways.

I don’t mean to challenge you in anyway, I’m just honestly curious :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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So do you want to know of the person behind the poison? I really think the world can’t be as black as Emo Mara or Elisabeth Macbeth Victoria see the world.
Still I don’t trust Zeus or Poseidon. Hades and Athena had feelings for us however I really think they would kill us in a heartbeat to fullfil they plans.
I love the gang however one of them has to be a spy controlling Aeson and minor spies. Chipmunk is a spy but from other god probably Athena or Hera. Not a really important character in the long-term.
My favourite character so far is Aphrodite she seem so real and cunning she is controlling Ares for something and I want to know for what.

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Thanks for indulging me :slight_smile:. I guess the person behind the person is slightly less cynical than her characters haha :smiley:.

I guess I’m more of the “innocent til proven guilty” type since I don’t expect Hades, Athena, or one of the gang members to betray the MC (otherwise, what would be the point of those relationship bars I’ve been trying to buff up?). Harris, however, wouldn’t be surprising if they’re a spy.

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If you read between lines in the Athena Hades scene dream. Athena clearly implying that everyone is doing what believe is the best, however, what is the best differs a lot from each God… all the discussion sounds to me that she knows that some o her plans would affect us or even sacrificing us for the greater good. Both gods are capable of kill us for the supposed greater good. And the traitors have to have someone in the inner group surrounding Aeson" to acting in front of Zeus eyes" And control our arrival to Olympic ground. Better option is the Gang itself so I am waiting for a Judas

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One of the main themes; what constitutes as good?

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It’s been a while since I went through that dream sequence and slowed down to read it (lol, oops). Gimme a sec as I refresh myself :stuck_out_tongue:

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I suppose Harris could be a spy, but what does she really have to report on? There’s that one time I snuck out per request by the scooby gang, but that’s pretty much it. Maybe she’s keeping tabs on how much time I spend in the bathroom.

I’m not really worried about spies and traitors tbh. My MC has some trust issues and doesn’t really open up, but I can’t really think of anything that she really has to hide. I’ve been very blatant about my attitude towards the gods since I arrived on Olympus.

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Okay so regarding Athena, one of the main passages I base my opinion of her is this (and I’ve quoted this many times):

She turns to you, her pink lips turned into a warm smile. You burst with love and longing.

“Oh, little one,” she coos. “My sweet boy. I knew you were good.”

“What do you mean?” you ask.

She smiles, then turns her excited gaze away from you and toward the dying sun.

“Maybe in this life…”

Her voice fades off. Your vision blurs.

Besides the fact that I want my MC to get some measure of happiness and stability as well as a family, I also think this has to be Athena being genuine to us and showing affection (again, I put a lot of trust on the authors’ word choice when it comes to text-based games). The fact that she says something different if you kill the Seeker, to me, means that that was a pivotal choice with real consequences. What’s the point of coding a branching dialogue if Athena means to scorn and smite the MC either way? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Tangent: I’m glad I read this dream sequence again because I’ve forgotten Hades’ “There is no amount of love that is enough to stir your heart!”. Great line, again makes me wonder if he or Athena will be the “one to choose their kismet love”

And yes, you’re right in pointing out this passage:

Athena lets out a mirthless laugh. “Zeus thinks he’s doing this for him, too; and so does the rest of the Council…and so do you and I. I suppose, in the end, we all think what we’re doing is good. Just, very different versions of ‘good.’”

Well that’s just normal for individuals to have their own agenda. To me, this could mean that Athena is willing to use B&B as a means to win the war. She’s the goddess of wisdom and battle strategy, with literal Victory on her shoulders to boot, after all. I would find it worrisome and completely against her nature to not use an advantage she has at her disposal to try to win Titanomarchy 2.0. Like Zeus, I can see her as someone who looks at the forest instead of the tree, trying to grasp what’s good for the big picture at the expense of possibly seeming cold to individuals. That’s her job. She may use Lavei for the good of the many, but I don’t think that necessarily means she will betray and sacrifice the MC, especially one who respects the gods and shows genuine affection for her.

As for Harris, just cause they’re a spy doesn’t mean they will be hostile to the MC in the future. I think it would be understandable for the Twelve to want to keep an eye out on how Lavei acts since they will have unlimited power soon enough. It’s fair to keep an eye out on Lavei’s upbringing, actions, etc, I think :stuck_out_tongue:

Lastly, just cause Athena and Hades most likely have the ability to turn the MC to dust doesn’t mean they will. I mean, Altair Angelis will have the ability to turn the whole universe to dust soon enough but does that mean I’ll have him do so?

…yes, but only to see if there’s an achievement in choosing so :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Side note: Have we gone over the fact that Harris…

…somehow has the impeccably regular and perfect handwriting of a printer but can’t seem to write between the lines all the time? :laughing:

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also how Chipmunk has several clothes for our size? Normally would the institute who provide me clothes not a tiny scared glorified Squirrel… All in Chipmunk shouts betrayal. However, It is too obvious to be the real Judas, and not enough close to Aeson during all theseyears. For me Chipmunk is clearly a red herring.But my characters just hating her enough too believe otherwise.

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Maybe Harris has the uncanny skill of knowing someone’s shirt size just by looking at it? Maybe Harris worked in a clothing store in the past :stuck_out_tongue:

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that’s one thing however not only she gets what our size is a size that could change a lot during our hospital time. So Chipmunk knows our modern size… And even more suspicious, She just somehow obtained Three different outfits for us in the middle of the night. She also knows our SECRET reunion with the gang and if you decided not go Chipmunk get pissed and looking at you all grumpy and angry like her boss ordered her to make us go.

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Or they lied and the clothes are provided by the Institute which got our size from the healers (which should be good at guessing sizes/weight/height, etc) and Harris is just a bootlicker that tries to score some points with the Bearer…what of course also could be motivited by them spying on us.

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why that little- she flippin’ spies on us!

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They can try but it won’t work on my mc, the time for pretending we’re even related and bribery with trips and fancy gifts is long passed. The standard reply would always be “No !” (for Hades) or “I don’t have the time for it right now (and never will)” (for Zeus) Except for the one who has Poseidon for a dad who won’t even deign to answer that with anything that could be construed as any sort of acknowledgement.

The only “gift” they could possibly give that would even remotely lift my mc’s spirits is a room without an annoying roommate, I’m pretty sure Aeson has got his own private suites.

That assuming we’d even want their “support”.

At least not from his father, about the only one of that bunch my mc would consider accepting anything from is Athena as she does seem to have suffered at least some discomfort for trying to help us in the past, provided her story is mostly true.

You’re partly right there but given how crappy the mc is treated here I’d think mine would prefer to make the RO’s fall literally by good hard kick to the nether regions and then they’ll be at our feet too.

I’m sure my mc would hate harris’ sense of style so he’ll need to steal some better ones asap. Maybe wear just the underwear for now and throw the rest in the garbage.

But this is a legitimate question why don’t we get to choose our own clothes, everybody else sure seems to? Or at least wear the t-shirt and jeans combo to the ceremony?

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Angsty @idonotlikeusernames will always be angsty.

You must be an awesome lawyer.

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I feel like Harris’ choices were less about his sense of style and more on the Institute’s “unofficial uniform”, where people can choose between casual clothing (for those who like modern looks), a curtain with clasps (for those who like the ancient ways), and a ninja suit (because why not?)

And I feel like the ceremony’s a really fancy affair that requires formal clothing. The choice was simplified to ancient formal and modern formal. I mean, I guess you could have shown up in casual clothes but that would not have made a good first impression (not to mention Athena likely would not be pleased ;P)