I don’t know… I’m imagining there’s at least one very important piece of information we don’t know yet, which we likely won’t know until the Trials are over, and which could end up being… problematic for our futures. After all, if the gods want to “use us and then betray us”, I imagine they’d make very sure that they could do so. They’ve had thousands of years to perfect the arts of betrayal and intrigue; we’ve had under twenty.
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You don’t fool Emo Mara CHIPMUNK IS THE KEY
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Just played through the new update (well, new for me) and I absolutely loved it. I think @Rohie is doing an amazing job and I can’t wait to see what else she comes up with! I’m really interested in learning more about the differences between Dark/Light/& Shadow magic. I was also wondering if we were going to get to cultivate the friendships/relationships our MC made in their past lives? Like with Helena & Odysseus? I’m sorry if that has already been asked & answered! Again, such a great job!
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Well, regarding the whole immortal MC with non-Aeson romance, it is better to love than to have never loved before, no matter how fleeting the time between them. Quality over quantity
Also, I don’t remember having my Mirror of the Red Sea being returned to my possession. My MC needs them for the Trials! 
I have been going with the idea that immortal =/= invulnerable, which means while the an immortal can live indefinitely, they can still be killed. Can Gods be killed?
Also, I can’t wait to meet Nephlim again. I need my backstory.
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Immortality and invulnerability are two tricky concepts because they’re both so similar, but they aren’t the same.
Essentially, if you are immortal you cannot die. Period. You cannot die of natural causes nor can you be killed by anything. You can be wounded, but never to the extent that a wound becomes fatal.
Invulnerability on the other hand means you can only die through natural causes; your invulnerability means you cannot be killed or wounded, but this only extends to outside forces. You cannot be fatally wounded and it’s likely you will not even see your own blood your entire life, but you will still age and die around a normal, healthy age.
And you and I have different opinions on the love part; perhaps it’s just my cynicism talking, but I see no benefits in willingly allowing yourself to be happy for a miniscule period of time and resign yourself to suffer the heartbreak for 100x that time, perhaps indefinitely.
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There’s no reason to stay heart broken forever. The “one true love” trope is fun but a bit separated from reality. Just because I’m not still with my first love doesn’t mean it wasn’t real. Our Immortal mc can morn and then move on just like many of us need to do in our much shorter real lives.
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But for how many times? Don’t you think that constantly moving on to someone else would get unfulfilling after a period of time? Maybe one partner had something to offer the MC that the rest would not?
Part of my point is anyone immortal is pretty much destined to be a sociopath at some point in the future; it may take one thousand years or it may take one hundred million years, but at some point the MC’s inability to form any kind of permanent bond will inevitably lead to them rejecting that bond altogether, and that will undoubtedly lead to some screwed-up shit, won’t it?
It’s not a matter of ‘this one person is the only person whom I will love this much for the rest of my immortal life’, it’s more of a matter of ‘the love that I give to this person will inevitably be pointless, as will the love I give to countless others in the future’. And you have to admit, moving onto someone else for the rest of eternity kind of diminishes the specialness of love, don’t you think?
I didn’t see your post then.
Now I imagine the Bearer as He-Man.
Only if you view the act of loving as pointless. I mean you can argue similarly that why would I love someone now – mortal life span and all – when we’re just going to die anyway. It’s not permanent either in that sense.
And why should loving another diminish the specialness of it? I mean, we all (probably and hopefully) have different loves in our life. Romantic or otherwise. And it’s different each time, and in that light, incomparable.
Imo, I don’t think that there is a cap or maximum of how many times you can love. That would pretty much defeat the purpose of it :))
If anything immortality sucks because you will outlive people you care about – as you’ve pointed out – and there is that risk of facing eternity alone, but the choice of loving someone/making a bond/etc is something that will always be on the table. That’s the choice the MC will probably have to make (assuming immortality is really end game)
On a less philosophical note, I feel like my magic inclined MC’s will become buff mages ala Hawke from DA:II
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I think what Sherlock was getting at was that it must be emotionally exhausting to watch every single one of your companions grow old and die, while you never do. You may choose to grow old, but that’s merely cosmetic, whereas for them, it comes with illness, weakness, fatigue, and a plethora of other problems.
It’s hard enough to watch loved ones grow old… much less when you don’t with them.
To do that over and over again… you would certainly begin to view love as pointless. It’s in human nature.
/removes Not-A-Licensed-Psychologist™ glasses
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But what you and Sherlock same to forget you as a inmortal master of universe could decide your own emotions or could make thst the time for s lover get stop. You even could still loving a perdon who died because there is no LIMITS. You are seeing this like you still being a powerless human immortal. Where you are all the power of universe you even could choose die as personality and make another totally different person wake up and started a new life
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I think what Sherlock was getting at was that it must be emotionally exhausting to watch every single one of your companions grow old and die, while you never do. You may choose to grow old, but that’s merely cosmetic, whereas for them, it comes with illness, weakness, fatigue, and a plethora of other problems.
It’s hard enough to watch loved ones grow old… much less when you don’t with them.
To do that over and over again… you would certainly begin to view love as pointless. It’s in human nature.[/quote]
The first is always the hardest. It’s kind of like pets. The first time you lose a much loved pet it’s very hard, but after you’ve had several it’s much easier to move on. That doesn’t mean you love them any less, and most of us won’t stop keeping pets just because it hurts when they pass on. To an immortal, I’d imagine the loss of a mortal lover wouldn’t be that much different. You don’t expect them to last forever, and barring some sort of tragic accident, you have plenty of time to get used to the fact that they will pass on as they age, but while you’re with them they enrich your life and make you feel so very alive…
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I actually find it the opposite. Once my current dog dies I will not be getting another because every time it gets harder losing them.
Every time I lost a family member to death I found it harder to deal with … perhaps people are made differently in that regard.
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But that’s the thing? No one’s really denying that it’s going to be painful or in anyway easy – like when has love been easy :)) – but rather that there’s something amiss (at least for me) when:
I feel this works under the idea of reciprocity? Like ideally, I give love and it’s returned. But then since MC is immortal, the love I give will not be the same amount I expect to receive back.
But at least for me, love should never be about what you get back – otherwise, it becomes a transaction rather an act of love. Imo, love should be about the other person (not obsessively where you forget about yourself, but you get the general gist).
So like, if OP is saying that “the love I give the other person will be pointless,” it’s a very “I-centred” way of looking at it. I’m pretty sure the recipient of MC’s love wouldn’t think that it’s pointless :))
It also seems (to me) that ultimately following the logic, it’s like saying I shouldn’t form any kind of bond because in the future the person will die/things will not work out/I’ll get hurt/etc. Strictly speaking, no one really knows how long a relationship will last, but that doesn’t mean people have stopped trying – I mean for the most part, at least.
Then that’s compounded with this:
It’s a bit iffy to read. Like I feel this works under the assumption that a relationship is worthwhile if it lasts? But that’s not always true? And ideally it shouldn’t be? At least imo? Like I’d like to think that relationships are worthwhile because there was meaning in them, and not because they lasted forever.
So, you can have your MC slowly descending into despair :)) my babies will find a way to live.
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Perhaps you’re right. While in a lot of ways I’ve grown more sentimental as I’ve gotten older, more greatly appreciating little things that I’d never have noticed when I was younger, my expectations and outlook have changed as well. I don’t expect permanency, but I do treasure every moment that I share with those I care for, both two-legged and four-legged. And by the time they do pass on, I’ve almost always had plenty of time to adjust to that oncoming reality before it occurred. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t find loss to be quite so debilitating as it was when I was younger. I find myself bouncing back much faster, and I wouldn’t ever consider putting my own fear of loss over the joy I take in connecting with and forming bonds with those around me, both two-legged and four-legged. To me at least, the pluses very clearly outweigh the minuses, but I don’t begrudge you for feeling differently.
I thank @ashestoashes018 for understanding what I’m saying. I’m sure the rest of you do as well, but my point was essentially understood.
But that’s exactly my point; at a certain point you would probably stop seeing them as people and start seeing them as pets, the love that you would feel for them would ultimately be diluted to the point where it isn’t real love anymore. [quote=“squarelyblue, post:4422, topic:15482”]
It also seems (to me) that ultimately following the logic, it’s like saying I shouldn’t form any kind of bond because in the future the person will die/things will not work out/I’ll get hurt/etc.
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That is also the point; have you ever had something emotionally hurtful happen to yourself over and over and over again to the point where you’ve just come to accept it? Even if you haven’t, you can understand that if that was to happen to a person, they would inevitably be numbed to the heartbreak that they would feel and the hurt they felt at the beginning would no longer be felt because they’ve grown so accustomed to it by now. That’s what I mean by it would be pointless, because you look for a relationship for a source of happiness, and after so long you would either associate emotional bonds with pain and hurt, or even worse you would be able to get close without getting hurt when it ends because you genuinely don’t care whether or not they die anymore. Both scenarios would be extremely detrimental to the persons mental state however well they keep a handle on it.
I feel like your viewpoint is coming from a very mortal standpoint, and I actually kind of think you’re right; relationships are worthwhile because we don’t live forever. But the idea is that this person would live forever. The one thing that person is is permanent. And if you can experience something until the end of time, than that thing would inevitably lose its value, even something as emotional and as sentimental as love.
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But, if we’re all-powerful, would we be able to make ourselves die? (A proper, mortal death, that is; not the Essence-reincarnation we’ve had so far.) Just how all-powerful are we?
That is also the point; have you ever had something emotionally hurtful happen to yourself over and over and over again to the point where you’ve just come to accept it? [/quote]
Not since I was a child. I don’t put up with that crap these days. I’ve become very highly proactive as a result of my negative childhood experiences.
I think some people do become more callous to avoid feeling pain, but I don’t think it’s necessary to become callous in order to deal with emotional pain. I think some people just get good at dealing with it and letting go when it’s time to move on, especially when they have years of warning signs as the loved one’s life circle’s the drain.
Relationships are a source of interaction and stimulus, and when you enjoy that interaction and stimulus it can make you happy. But don’t expect relationships to be a “source” of happiness or you’ll tend to be very disappointed. Relationships are work, and people who magically expect relationships to somehow make them happy tend to flit from temporary relationship to temporary relationship because the happiness that comes from new love never lasts and the relationship starts to feel like work. Happiness needs to come from within, expecting happiness to come from others is a recipe for continual disappointment.
I don’t buy this. Not everyone reacts to pain by becoming callous. The better you understand your own emotions and how to avoid digging yourself into emotional pitholes that are difficult to climb out of, the better your ability to feel emotions intensely without being crippled by them.
[quote] Both scenarios would be extremely detrimental to the persons mental state however well they keep a handle on it.
I feel like your viewpoint is coming from a very mortal standpoint, and I actually kind of think you’re right; relationships are worthwhile because we don’t live forever. [/quote]
Relationships are worthwhile either way because humans are social creatures for the most part. To an immortal, boredom and eunni are bigger issues than emotional callousness in my mind. Relationships are a way to gain much needed interaction and stimulation to keep the eunni away.
The happy drugs your body releases when you “fall in love” don’t last an entire mortal’s lifetime, let alone the potential forever of an immortal’s lifetime. That’s just the way it works. Becoming immortal would have little effect on that.
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