A Mage Reborn, Book Two (WIP) - UPDATED August 7th | Book One Released!

Ante is one of the most inept spies I’ve ever seen because she acts so freaking suspicious. That she does not have a polite & genial facade to throw off or otherwise put suspects at ease is terrible.

A supposed spymaster shouldn’t be caught spying. (And if they are caught, they should be able to talk their way out of it so that at least their true objective isn’t revealed.) A spymaster shouldn’t be giving away who they’re actually suspicious of. She’s so biased against the MC that she can’t even properly pretend to be professionally neutral.

Nevermind badmouthing the MC for years (based on no evidence at all because apparently if she was actually investigating anything it was turning up jack squat), if she’d actually been a good spy then it should have been a surprise that she suspected the MC all along.

Could you imagine that the FBI was doing a sting on a drug cartel and then they announced ahead of time that they would be investigating the cartel members so that everyone there would have advanced warning to cover their shit?

And then when given concrete proof that she screwed up and helped to cause the deaths of the Mage and the Saintess (because the MC could have stopped the bomb without having to kill the Saintess if she hadn’t intervened), instead of any self reflection & re-evaluation she just doubles down on “I DID NOTHING WRONG”.

And of course that Leon kept her on as spy master just reconfirms that opinion. Can’t even pay the barest lip service on mishandling the situation.

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Who’s the second?

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Saine.

Well, unless Leomar dies and Saine becomes king, at which point Saine will be bad at his new job, too, I guess.

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Except that isn’t true. The mc is talented, but apparently most of that talent lies in self-inflicted torture.
As a mage they’re not really super duper. I think the author stated the mc is an 8 out of 10 in normal, as in non-parasite, magic and power.
Sure the mc is good at magic but there are probably a few mages, certainly in Salantira and the Church itself (likely including Ilya) who are even more talented and powerful than the mc is.

The mc’s innate talents are apparently best suited to arcana, except the mc’s arcana is so fucked up that they are the single worst arcana user in all of new Arcadia, talent be damned, plus even performing those parlour tricks still requires self-inflicted torture.
Thus making the mc near worthless as an Arcanist too, with no realistic prospect of ever improving on their situation there too, as, no, the Earthworm just made things worse. :unamused:

So, to sum it up, the mc is a talented and reasonably powerful conventional mage, though even with conventional magic their magical stamina is shit due to the parasites and a bad arcanist.
So, overall, the mc isn’t that particularly impressive when it comes to power and they certainly lack in knowledge, due to the whole kidnapped and tortured as a kid thing and then still being too young to get a complete education and get around to learning the more interesting stuff before sister did her dirty little coup.

Putting it in arbitrary stats I’d rate the mc an 8 in power but only a 4 or 5 in stamina when it comes to conventional magic and maybe a 3 or 4 out of 10 in arcana use as they are now, even with the Earthworm. They may have a 10+ in Arcana potential and talent but that counts for exactly shit and is completely worthless to the mc in practice.
Oh, and a 4 out of 10 in magical knowledge and education with maybe a 6 in conventional education and knowledge due to spotty and incomplete education. So, again, the mc isn’t really that impressive there either, particularly for a “noble”.

They really are. Even without resorting to the phantasma, they’re very close to the top of the power scale. You even admit to that in THIS VERY POST:

And this is WITHOUT pulling out the phantasma stops.

Church mages actually suck. The only advantage they have is that they are allowed to use healing theurgy. You fry a handful of templar with one ercei spell when you go to kill the Saintesse.

And you actually know how good Ilya is. At the start of Book 2, she has 80% Theurgy (and she never seems to use it for anything else than healing, so it’s possible she can’t), 75% Enchantment, and 50% Alchemy. That’s worse than the MC by the time you reach the Parami court.

Numbers you just made up wholecloth are, in fact, not going to sway me. I have an 83% Learning at the start of Book 2, for example, so my magical knowledge and education are just dandy.

EDIT: And even if you WEREN’T a super-duper mage (which you totally are, but let’s imagine you aren’t), what’s relevant for the Aste discussion is that she definitely thinks you are - both she and Julius tell you that.

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Because the mc just plain sucks at that, as it is literal torture for them to do so and even when they do it’s not all that impressive, compared to some of the other arcanists we meet in book 2.
Yu easily has the same level of power the mc needs the Earthworm thing for and for him it does not require inflicting excruciating torture on himself or weeks to months of recovery time.

That really depends on the distribution of the magical aptitude bell-curve, as in how many 9 and 10’s are there? In terms of grade an 8 tends to be good, but not necessarily great.

I’ll give you that. Salantira seems to have more and overall better mages, if some of the tumblr lore is to be believed and Leo and Saine may have been bragging about their awesome adventuring buddy, which doesn’t help in making a non-biased first impression.

I did always think our old adventuring buddies may have given a more flattering portrayal of the mc’s power, knowledge and talent than what the actual reality is.

But the mc’s magical stamina/endurance seems to be poor, even if their power is not, making mc a real glass cannon, even for a normal mage and in the war with sister they get around that by having a whole team around the mc to care for them and keep them on their feet, sometimes literally.

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I’m not saying it’s not the case, but it’d certainly be strange for the bell curve to be weighed TOWARDS the powerful end. Odds are it’s either a normal gauss or, more likely, that it’s weighed towards the weak end, with less powerful mages being far more frequent than powerful ones.

The MC doesn’t suck at that, it just sucks for them when they do it, which is not the same thing.

Oh, Avatar is pretty damn impressive. The only phantasma that MIGHT be better than the four starters so far is Yu’s Zephyros, which is mentioned to be the actual top of the power scale, and I’d STILL take Gweila over it, because the only thing Zephyros can do is blow stuff up (friendly fire included), and that’s a lame ability compared to rapid-firing Enchantments all over the place. I’m not even going to PRETEND Flyss’s snake is in the competition.

We don’t actually know if Raegusa triggers the same problems as the four starters, on account of the only time we use it so far we do it right after somebody disembowels us, which sort of throws analysing the personal effects of using it out of whack… I actually expect it to work just fine, considering the MC gets it in a proper way. Or, well, that it WOULD work just fine if we weren’t dealing with another four already.

You DO experience mana leakage, which is apparently the sort of stuff that only happens at “court mage” power levels, so that’s pretty big.

This is because you’re Avatar’ing through pretty much the entire war. You’re not using normal magic, you’re actively resorting to the phantasma all the time.

I’m not going to disagree with you on the glass cannon, but I think this is more to do with you apparently being the only non-priest mage in the entirety of the world that doesn’t bring a weapon along. I don’t even know what’s up with that. Which would suggest you have BETTER magical stamina, not worse. In fact, your magical stamina is pretty great, because the things you do that make you flop down afterwards (saving the kids from the slavers and picking the “save everyone” option at the village) are initially stated to be crazy to even try.

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I think the term glass cannon is quite accurate, but MC still won them the war and achieved several feats that make them admirable and powerful enough to be wary of, especially once their background is out. They are not THE most powerful, but they proved their might many times over.

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I love this Arcana spell. Literally makes you invulnerable.

I was really confused when that was referred to as an Arcana in-game. It just seemed so… underwhelming compared to Mireil throwing voids around and MC’s stuff.

I think a little bit after, the game refers to how you’ve practiced with it a bit (and it doesn’t mention this nearly killing you), so I actually think it works well. Or at least better than your primary phantasma, since there’s no mention of you using that again. Also, if you try to escape, you have no problems trying to use it against Tahlia.

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I do need to replay the demo and pay closer attention, but tbh I didn’t think it would be so long!!! Anyways, I barely remember Ante so I dont really have a take, sadly.
Also I think I missed all the romance options not for Yu, especially in book 1.

I think it is a combination of the mc’s weak health and stamina, they were tortured the most on top of already being the youngest and weakest to start with and their incomplete education, due to the mc being stupidly young, back as a ward of the court in Salantira. Which apparently meant that unlike Eli and presumably sister too they never got around to having the master of arms instruct the mc in weapon handling before sister’s little coup and Eli’s first death.

Anyway it seems the mc did miss out on the both the more advanced magic and weapons training for Salantiran nobles back in the day. :unamused: They also seem to have lacked the kind of freedom of movement that sister and Eli seemed to have enjoyed.

Then back in Leaf’s end the mc was weak, penniless and recovering and needing to earn their keep.

Why the mc never took advantage of the opportunity to potentially learn something and acquire a weapon during the White Fang days is beyond me, Saine or Leo could probably have taught the mc a thing or two then. :thinking:

No weapons training and the mc’s shit health seem to be the main culprits for that and in the case of mine it is presumably too late now, unless primitive guns already exist as the cripple, in constant pain, he is now is never going to learn fancy footwork and a bow, while good for physique and upper body strength is indeed less of an advantage over a ranged spell.

It’s not, not really it needs months of recovery time after every use, unless Eli tortures the mc under the guise of “healing” as pain killing is either not something his phantasma knows how to do or one of the phantasma abilities that no one knows how to use anymore due to the old Arcadians being paranoid assholes who were terminally stupid.

I mean technically my mc’s main torturer, Nyx, could be actually useful as it is implied she has a whole other side of healing/resurrection/vivimancy that no one that we know of in the mc’s era knows how to access. Maybe she could even heal the limp by regenerating the bones or something, which is something even Eli’s pure healing phantasma either cannot do or is also an ability Eli cannot access due to that knowledge being lost somewhere in the terminal stupidity of old Arcadia.

That could actually make her earn her keep where my mc is concerned, the other three total freebooters would still need to sod the fuck off though! :angry:

Your mc’s main tormentor is the enchantment one, right? Which is even more frustrating because it is implied by Thalia that one should be able to do a super disenchantment/dispel magic that is likely powerful enough to get rid of the stupid arcane collar in a second, only you don’t get to access that one either. :unamused:

Actually you do, as the mc cannot even access it quickly enough to prevent Thalia’s little tricks. So in the hands of the mc it is not powerful or even useful enough to do anything against Thalia.
The mc can threaten to use the Earthworm but it doesn’t actually lead to anything meaningful.

No, it does not, using it is still torture for the mc, that requires more torture from Eli and Thalia to “heal and recover” from those practice sessions.

Is it less torture than using the only other phantasma the mc can use? Maybe, it is still very painful though and it actually seems less powerful than Nyx too, at least to me.

Instead it mentions Eli’s healing sessions to recover from using it being painful enough to make the mc wish they were dead again, on occasion.

This seems to be closest to the truth. Although even without the other parasites it still wouldn’t work completely fine either as the text explicitly mentions the mc being still slightly out of sync with the Earthworm thing. The self-inflicted torture still seems to be present though and that presumably does come from the fact it needs to draw its power from the same blood/mana that is already invested with four other parasites.

It would probably have been mostly fine, mostly if the Earthworm thing really had been the only parasite the mc had to worry about, but it is not as there is still one other semi useless and three completely and totally useless ones to contend with. :unamused:

Of course in the case of my mc the Earthworm was yet another parasite that was basically forced upon him, which doesn’t make him particularly favourably inclined towards it to begin with. :angry:

Even if that is true, the mc seems fated to meet more of the elites than the average or weak ones. I am almost certain Thalia is a 10 even in normal magic and Yu a 9. Sister may also have been a 9 in normal magic and Eli is probably roughly comparable to the mc. Although this is mostly speculation based on Yu’s family being made up of extremely strong mages, including the Saintess herself and in Thalia and Sister’s case around the Arcane collar.
Unless they really are re-using the one Thaubal put on the mc, the Arcane collar trick may be one of the things you’d need to have at least a 9 in magic power to put on (or take off) somebody by conventional means. :thinking:
Of course Thaubal himself must also have been at least a 9 in normal magic in that case. :thinking:

Which comparatively makes the mc relatively weak, even if that is not true in absolute terms it may well be the case compared to many of the mc’s book 2 enemies and allies. :thinking:

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I’ve been trying to find this healing session quote. Where is it in the game?

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After you rescue Eli or after Raegusa, I believe? When you come back to HQ

Here you go

It’s in chapter 9:

And here is something specific to the toll the Earthworm thing takes on the mc:

I take this to mean that using the Earthwom may be just as draining and therefore torturous on the mc as using their original phantasma is. Again maybe if the mc could have been lucky enough to have just the Earthwom they’d have been mostly fine, except for that slight feeling of unease, but that is clearly not the case.

One last thing about the pain:

Now this could just be Eli being unduly concerned but to me it does imply, again, that using Raegusa is no more pleasant than using Nyx or whoever your own mc’s first parasite is for the mc.

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Thanks for the quotes. I’m still wondering why MC seems to not want to use the phantasma they’re more familiar with in fights, as opposed to Raegusa (though this may simply be because Raegusa is “stronger”). Actually, the contract being “proper” compared to Thaubal’s ones may be it, as JBento said, since the proper method let a non-mage utilize Raegusa.

I’m kinda late to the party but feel the need to answer.

Not really. MC’s only fault is overall that “they’re sus”. There is no concrete evidence but it does not prevent Ante from following them for literal YEARS of the war and somehow knowing that they’ve returned to Param at moment’s notice. (My MC put a sleeping enchantment on the paladins and I doubt someone could wake up earlier and warn her.) When you don’t find solid evidence you don’t go around damaging people’s reputation, you don’t make it your job description “to make MC’s life miserable”.

I’m not even sure she knows that. Do you think Leon would immediately run to tell her to tell the story of MC’s life? Or she follows the royals all the time listening to them heading nature’s call in the bushes?

Bruh, no. Her being professional would mean that she accounts for EVERYTHING MC ever did including saving children at the expense of a physical feature/ability, fainting bc of curing everyone during the plague, risking their life to fight Param’s war. She doesn’t even try to fucking ask the MC about anything. She labeled them “most likely bad” and proceeded.
She is obsessed with the idea of being right here.

Leon made a mistake bc he is too naive to be a king. He’s a warrior, he’s an adventurer who was forced to toughen up a take responsibility for the whole country. He wasn’t ready, he wasn’t really willing. It would be very easy to push a confused person like this to drastic actions, especially if your spymaster is a bitch.

What kind of loyalist talk is that lmao. Proarcadia all the way)

Suspicious but not warranting a condemnation from her. There is such thing as presumption of innocence. In simple words - don’t bully the MC until they’ve done real crime. Her threats started way earlier as if they could actually influence something.

Instead of saying “too bad but there’s facts” she should’ve said “that was a serious mistake on my part that cost Param a valuable ally. I SHOULD BE BETTER” NOT BS LIKE THEM FACTS POINTED. Reflect and become more professional. Otherwise she put an excuse to justify her stupidity. Professional my ass lol.
Edit: I also find it funny that even a charismatic MC can’t persuade her to watch their work on dispelling the bomb. It’s because she refuses to listen because she believes that she’s 100% right.

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If Ante has a personality file on the MC (which she should, since she’s been observing him for years), I’d like to see it.

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In that file is a single sentence “They bad!”

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ITS A GREAT DAY FOR PARAM! So are people here only anti Leon or are they the loud majority

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Majority loves Leon unfortunately

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