A Mage Reborn, Book Two (WIP) - UPDATED August 7th | Book One Released!

Summary

Now that I think about it, we don’t get much in terms of Arcadians being discriminated against, outside of the whole plague thing. Later we get one or two mentions of them and that’s it for book 1.
If the discrimination is so widespread why didn’t we see any of it until MC is sent to resolve the plague? In book 2 we get told many times how Arcadians are treated badly but the plague in book 1 is the first time we see any of it for ourselves. MC seemingly know nothing of the Arcadian’s situation at the time and needed Ilya to explain everything, which is doubly weird since they got a royal education at Duke’s mansion and should know history.
It’s hard to believe MC never had any contact with Arcadians until the plague and has not witnessed how they are treated considering how the plague segment presents their situation. No Arcadians are refused service or thrown out of inns and shops, and no beggars clearly of Arcadian descent. I guess that’s my criticism, that book 1 is segmented with barely any connective tissue between said segments. We do Leafs End stuff, ok that’s done go to white fang, ok that’s done, now a plague ok that’s done, next thing then next thing. All the arcs in book 1 seem separated and barely related to one another. Arcadians’ situation is such a big issue in book 2 and we are told many times it’s bad but we don’t witness enough of it to endear us to Arcadia’s goal at all.
We just have to believe retroactively that they were mistreated all this time and that MC, who can be an irrationally good person, didn’t care enough to notice it. It’s such an opportunity to show how Arcadians are treated in rural areas like aunt Bess’ town, where they could be barely any prejudice at all since peasants have only time for working the fields and not for racism, or it could be worse for Arcadians, who are the ones forced to work on unfair conditions. Then show how it differs in bigger towns, the capital, and in the King’s castle itself. But Arcadians have essentially no presence throughout both books really, and I mean the average Joe’s here not Team SnakeFace.
Considering book 2 plot focuses on Arcadians, their situation should be a steady throughline across the whole of book 1 to better connect the narrative together between them.

Now coming back for a moment to Tahlia being not sympathetic. The answer to that would be a good ol’ classic, a “tragic backstory”. That sounds simplistic I know but imagine for a moment that it’s F who rules arcadia. As I read somewhere here they were a slave until rescued by Sister. Such a backstory justifies their resentment toward other nations and that resentment would seep into their decision about the Arcadian way forward. Living in such bad conditions while dreaming of a better life, what would they do to attain that life? How would they treat people they perceive as abusers? How disjointed their moral values would be after a lifetime of abuse? In essence can you really blame a beaten and abused dog for biting everyone around? What informs the character’s actions in a big way are their past experiences and when it comes to Tahlia we still know precious little about her past only the messed up present.

Well, not clinically that’s for sure since psychopathy is not an illness, only a personality disorder

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Haters hate seeing girlboss winning so now they are calling her names and wishing for “sad backstory” smhing.
In all seriousness You are probably right about sad backstory but I am hoping it won’t be as simple as “I got bullied by bigot paramians when I was 9 years old and now I want revenge.”
My running theory is that she is much older that she appears to be. That would explain her power and immense knowledge, and also kind of explains her being okay with morally ambiguous decisions. Maybe she saw the destruction of Arcadia first hand and now dedicated hew life to restoring her “hometown” and get revenge on Param as a whole.
Again, I am really hoping that her character won’t be simplified to “I do progressively horrible shit and unless you are okay with it you better find a way to kill me”.
That relationship bar is there for a reason, right? Maybe let us become her advisor of the sorts and let us try to shift her way of doing things/general worldview.
@Big_fan1231 I am banned on Parivir’s patreon but the recent post says “November update soon!” and the said update came out back on 1st of November. I am guessing he is planning to make it public on 1st or 2nd of December

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I forget where but essentialy if i recall correctly more or less its not even about them being royal saine or leon. its more the magic negating sword thats apart of the bloodline killing them ends that threat. At that point it basicaly just a normal sword to anybody else could be wrong but thats what i think it boils down to in the end.

Oh shit we’re back to squabbling over Arcadia being good or bad again

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or how many corpses she has to dig up apparently. ba dum tss

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Once again, everyone, please remember that it’s ok share your opinions here. But please don’t get passionated and turn a discussion into an argument just because other people have different opinions.

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Dammit, I hate you…

Here’s hoping things are more civil this time around…

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Hey, I don’t wanna start a war, just trying to point out if there is objectively enough content in the actual material to sway us in support of Arcadia or otherwise and whether we are shown and not told they are oppressed.

Of course, you’re right that it was simple coz it was just an example, the point is we don’t know her story yet and have no real inside into why she does things, that’s why we should hold up with deeming her unsympathetic or irredeemable. As much as I think she’s a villain it was actually in her defense, which surprised me.

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Not me messing up the spoiler tag and just giving up and deleting the comment in it’s entirety.

Long story short, I agree Tahlia is older than she seems. Tahlia’s desire to see both Param and Salantira burn makes sense. No, Salantira and Param shouldn’t be afraid of Arcadia’s power because they CLEARLY have an answer that nearly eradicated Arcadia. I think Julias, the old spymaster, and Ante are sus for learning about the Order of the Broken Flame and focusing on the Mage’s vague background instead.

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Can we at least agree that Thalia is a piece of crap? She treats everyone as a tool for her to gain more power. And lets remember that Arcadia was a really strong nation that had almost nuclear level magic, were they the good guys? As far as we know, they could be doing Reich-level atrocities every single day. We have no reason to believe they were not pieces of shit before being destroyed by their neighbours. And considering what Thalia is willing to do today, I see no reason to feel simpathy for Arcadia, but to each their MC.

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Doesn’t really excuse the genocide on both sides in history but it seems to me that the only logical answer to end that cycle is to remove all of the major players from the board one way or another. My MC is just out for himself at this point

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The only correct option is to get rid of Leon and Thalia both. Anyone who disagrees is clearly biased one way or other

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Pretty sure there’s a third party involved from what the whole Eli rescue sidequest and the twins enemy implied so they gotta go too.

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I think that you could feel bad for the fact that the Arcadians were hurt and killed but we stil don’t know why Param did what they did. I am of the personal opinion that Tahlia’s characterization needs to be revisited.

I don’t understand how Tahlia is meant to be a defeatable opponent for the main character when it’s pretty obvious she was alive for the fall of Arcadia (otherwise how would she know so much, and have such a strong hatred for the neighboring nations that it blinds her to the potential for peaceful resolution). She is basically an omnipresent malicious force. How the hell is that meant to be winnable against? Unless the MC develops a magical wall from her influence. I wish additionally there was a third option where the MC was scheming for escape, but readily aware of the risk involved and bidding for time at the beginning of the Yotai arch. (Instead of needing to act right away or just ‘fitting right in.’)

But to me she feels more like Voldemort than the Fallen Hero. She I mentioned it before but she uses the Song of the Dead’s toll to manipulate Eli into agreeing to keep the MC prisoner and within her influence. She essentially uses the fact that she forced you back to life to ensure your continued slavery under her command, and she will readily just wretch things from your mind. She either, in my opinion, should not be characterized in a way implying there should be sympathy, or she should be changed slightly to not make her actions so outwardly callous and cruel.

Personally, I’m so disturbed by her, and the fact everyone around her just accepts what she does, that I can’t continue reading it. Like, I can’t get into character because I just get so frustrated for my MC. Kill people for money? Sure! Read my mind? A-Okay by me! Have the slightest doubts in my head that you are anything other than ambrosia from the gods? Welp, time to get tortured!

Response to @Arella :
Hmm? How often has that happened? Lol. I don’t really think it’s easy to just take a side. I think it depends on the MC and their personality. The MC I made for my first book playthrough though was a believer in change through action, and helped Leon, accepted death gracefully. That MC would be pro-Param.

An MC who was helping out of goodwill but felt completely betrayed by Leon’s actions, however, would fit much better with a pro-Arcadia playthrough. They might feel as though even if they were lovers, that the blame befalling them was too great, the actions too hasty. They felt as if everyone assumed the worst of them even if their actions were grave.

Either way, I see it being a Character Choice and not really a definitive ‘who is in the right?’ type of thing.

Response to @Big_fan1231 :
Was that explicitly stated in the text? That the Param people only killed them because they were powerful? If so, I think that is a very shallow writing choice. It would be more interesting if it was a gray reason. (For example, let’s say a powerful independent Arcadian placed a curse, acting independently. However, this curse caused great harm, and the people of Param blamed all of Arcadia for their lack of control of their mages.)

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Beacuse they thought arcardians were more powerful than them and wanted to get rid of them first

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Hating both is still a form of bias.

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I don’t think any of us here is unbiased. We are all biased. All of us.

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And that’s a positive, most of the time! It just shows how invested we are. I think. It’s fun to have those discussions about our opinions on the game, at least when the Arcadia vs Param arguments aren’t starting up again. :sweat_smile:

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In comment to part of what you posted if memory serves its been stated that one of the end paths is basically a nuke them all option where pretty much every ro can be killed save for eli who will relunctantly help the MC.

Now how that will all come about hard to say but its part of why i look forward to seeing more of the game. I can certiantly understand the frustration hence why i dont reply the demo to often depending on my mood. Hell there is a book series of which i dont quite recall the series name that is semi deep into it where in one of the books is a scene where i couldnt finish sespite being a awesome writing and series i couldnt finish depsite having it on the bookshelf.

So defintly understand the frustration lol

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I don’t care about nuking F or Y, I want an option that destroys Tahlia and lets me take her place. Uptight shitter, my MC would be a far better leader, if for no other reason than that they are willing to open their heart to trust in spite of being burned in the past before (both literally and figuratively). Like I said, my MC is loyal to Param, all they want is an option to return, and to bide their time in wait. But I can’t be both in wait and want to escape iirc? Either you are accepting the new life thrown at you or you are readily plotting an escape attempt right now. There is no middle ground for an intelligent MC to recognize the risk and bide their time, even knowing Tahlia is aware of their mistrust.

Edit: In retrospect, my MC would probably trust Eli with helping the people of Arcadia, they have lived there longer and additionally are more aware of their needs.

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