November
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o.o thanks letting me know been curiose how book two will go.
Finished the first book, going throught the second and after reading very strong opinions about Leon I find myself not quite disliking him at all even after the human barbeque: While we do know that the actions of the MC were done (mostly at least) out of desperation, and needed in order to save the city, from the perspective of Leon, the people and pretty much everyone else a very powerful spellcaster with very peculiar potential murdered not only several soldiers but also the most important religious figure in the country. It sucks, extremely so, but gotta admit, if I was in his position I would have used the pyre too.
All around a very horrible situation that nevertheless escaped the control of the main cast. That said, I do love good drama so I look forwad to guilt, sadness and anger.
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(this is just a rant, ignore this)
You know I get that, and obviously just because Leon and MC were close doesnât mean that they get a free pass; however, I still find it funny (and a bit dumb) that no one questioned why MC did it and why their plan was so awful. Thereâs this common trope of a criminal needing means, motive, and opportunity before committing a crime; but MC had ONE out of the 3, which is MC had the MEANS to commit the crime, but not the opportunity or motive? First off, if MC was really trying to commit murder and get away with it, they wouldâve done it at literally any other time, not when there were a number of guards that had to be neutralized; thatâs just poor timing likely to make your plan fail faster than google stadia. An actual assassination would see MC sneak in undetected and having an escape plan ready, but no, MC clearly didnât, so whatâs the deal? Even if we assume MC was on a one way suicide mission and wanted to be caught, why would they be motivated to kill the saintess, the most important religious figure in the country, who also saved their life, especially when MC risked their life, health, and magical abilities to save this country and the saintess for years, and even killed their own family member to do so? Plus, on a side note, Leon and MC were friends, he couldnât at least upgrade from a pyre to a guillotine? you know, make it quick and painless? Iâd even take a sword beheading, but a PYRE?! I thought we were cool man 
Anyways, my point is Paramâs judicial system is in serious need of reform seeing as there is no due process, and cruel and unusual punishment is abundant. Thank you for listening to my TED talk
Oh same, this is gonna be so good. Also, Iâm probably not gonna let Leon live the barbeque down for a while
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Hey, you got pretty good points here. Besides, in a world with confirmed mind-control magic one would believe that in such a bizarre case someone would at least think in that possibility, even more so considering how the MC seems incapable of giving not a good reason, but any reason at all for what he/she/they did.
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I really enjoy this series so far. Canât wait to read more.
Well, I suppose it depends on who is controlling the MC. From my personal perspective, Leon truly deserves and will receive a free pass. I guess it also depends on how your MC entered the building. In my case for example, I used an enchantment to put everyone to sleep. Thus, one might easily argue that it looked as if I was going to assassinate the saintess. If it wasnât for that stupid spymaster arriving with her cronies, no one would be any wiser. When everything was done, Leon actually did ask me why I did it, but instead of telling him, I acted like a blubbering mess. Of course, that is thanks to the curse, but still. Thatâs how it looked. Lastly, I would choose that fire over my past tormenting any day.
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The only free pass Leon will receive from me is the one to the afterlife.
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Hey, where exactly do we get the spirits we use for spiritism spells? Are we like pulling souls damned to Hell to the mortal realm or something? Is it a voluntary thing where spirits say âhey, some mortal wants to punch someone with a dozen spirits, any takers?â. What are the logistics of watered down necromancy, I need answers.
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Only fair if he gets fried, too. See how he likes it.
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I remember that when I first played AMR 2 I had the same mentality, and played a MC that was pretty indifferent to all that situation (also friendly with the arcadians and that could even romance Leon again)
In the second I just started thinking why my MC should be nice to them after everything and now they just want to run away and enjoy their life (and beat the hell out of Leon)
Good thing that I specialized in thaum
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Itâs kinda funny how this keeps slipping my mind but he literally killed MC; my mage was one of the nicest guys around, but being killed in an excruciatingly painful way by one of your closest friends isnât something you just forgive and forget. Heâll be lucky if I only hit him with a fist of the dark lord or make him slap himself with a glyph of subjugation.
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Being killed so violently by the guy youâre falling in love with/in love with isnât exactly something you forgive or forget, either.
Yes, he was in a difficult situation, but he made no real effort to get to the bottom of things. Part of being a leader is keeping a cool head and not just flying off the handle because those who follow you are freaking out and demanding action now.
He didnât launch an investigation, nor did he attempt to prove that the MC (either his friend or the supposed love of his life) was innocent. He never questioned why this person who had done so damned much for his kingdom suddenly did something so terrible, never wondered if, maybe, someone had found a way to control the MC. Nope, he just came in, acted like a gigantic prick, then murdered the MC is the most horrendous way possible.
That wasnât justiceâthat was outright murder, and the fact that he burned the MC alive makes him a fucking psychopath. If he had had any heart whatsoever, and had any feeling left at all for the MC, even if he decided he had to execute them, he couldâve granted them a better death in lieu of all they had done for the people up until then. But, again, Leon just went about it like a hate-filled psycho.
So fuck that guy. There is literally nothing he could do at this point that would make my MC forgive him for what he did to her. She wants him to suffer as much as she did, and see how it feels to be treated like that by someone who supposedly loved you at one time. And that bitch that works for him is on the proverbial chopping block, too.
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Its been explained basically all spirits want to keep living and you as a spiritist then use your mana to give them a physical form that they will inhabit to do what you wish just so they could kind of live again
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the thing that really sticks in my brain about the bbq spiral was that like. leon completely believes the âmc just murdered the saintess for no obvious reasonâ theory hook, line, and sinker.
i totally understand how you buy that if you donât know mc: this rando wildly powerful SALANTIR mage shows up out of nowhere, ingratiates themselves with the most powerful ppl in the country, and is totally on your side and not suspicious at all no one worry itâs fine. naturally, youâre waiting for the other shoe to drop the whole time, and when it happens, you donât really go looking for explanations bc it fits with what you already expected.
but like. if you know mc, you should know better. mc had way better opportunities to strike worse blows against param at any time if theyâd wanted. ilya and saine know that, so why doesnât leon?
he doesnât like carefully consider the situation and decide thereâs no way to appease the church but to burn mc alive. in that moment, he BELIEVES mc is a monster who was set against him the whole time, even after telling them how he trusts them absolutely (or even that he loves them!) very recently before. what changed?? what has him so ready to believe the worst of mc even while being in love with them?
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A lot of rambling about why Leon is a big dumb-dumb:
A lot of "bacause"
A lot of people seem to justify Leonâs actions by saying that, he only executed us because he thought there would be a rebellion, because killing a religious figure is still a major crime. So even knowing the context of Leon just winning a war and basically liberating his kingdom, paramians would still question his reign and would probably try to have their own way, because they would think that their king is under Mageâs influence, and since we are Mirâs ârelativeâ itâs not hard to believe.
The problem with this theory, is that itâs very hard to see Leon as someone who would think that far ahead (at least for me). Even as someone who possesses great leadership skills, Leon never wanted the responsibility of being a King (Or at least I think so, based on the facts that he ran away from same responsibilities for a simple adventureâs life, and him being nervous about taking his brotherâs mantle after winning the war). I think that, if he had his way, he would simply reject the crown, but because he is now regarded as paramiansâ savior, he simply must live up to his Older brotherâs rule and peopleâs overall expectations.
Because of all that, he never stops and thinks about Saintessâ murder and possible Mageâs motivations, simply because he is afraid people would hate him for anything that is not our immediate execution.
So yes, I still think that Leon shouldnât be forgiven so easily, as some people forgive him in this forum.
TL;DR Leonâs decision on our execution is purely emotional one, simply because he didnât try anything to find evidence/motivation etc. about Saintessâ murder.
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Well, even if Leon did his best to investigate, I donât see where or how he shouldâve gotten proof. Sure, he probably could have waited for Ilya to drink that magic potion to reveal things, but time was against him and the law along with the people demanded quick justice. It was mentioned while visited us in the cell, that he doubted things. Yet he had to follow the law and appear strong before the people. He also didnât place an arcane collar on us, nor did he read our minds. Iâm sorry, but those mages in book 2 seem a lot scarier. I guess at the end of the day, it all depends on your own heart.
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It always comes down to that rotten trickâŚthat somehow everybody with a connection to arcadia knows how to useâŚexcept the mc. 
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On that note, hereâs what probably should have happened
MC: âI didnât do this because I wanted to, Leon, youâre one of my closest friends, you have to believe I wouldnât do something like this without good reason. I just need you to trust me.â
Leon: âIâm sorry, but I canât do that. How can I accept that you killed the saintess for good reason? How do I know you donât want to destroy Param like your sister?â
MC: âFirst off, step sister. Second, Leon, you are the f**king KING of the country, if I really wanted to damage Param, I wouldâve just killed you and Saine years ago, and you know I could have.â
Leon: âIâŚwell youâŚdamn, I canât argue against that. Well, I obviously canât let you go after this, even if I fully believed you, the church wants your head on a pike.â
MC: âsigh Of course they doâŚlook, can you at least launch an investigation? A trial is pointless, we all know I did it, but could you at least look into the circumstances? Find a motive? I canât explain, but trust me, itâs a good one.â
Leon: âAnd if we find nothing?â
MC: âThen my life is forfeit.â
Leon: ââŚOkay. As your friend, Iâll do this much for you.â
MC: âThank you. Also, if you do go through with the execution, could you just cut off my head? Iâd really appreciate if it was quick and painless.â
Leon: âYou wonât go in your sleep, but Iâll see what I can do.â
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