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i am aware that yu doesn’t like their group’s methods but is still willing to kill if they feel like there’s no other choice. i guess i was just surprised that they can sacrifice the saintess, someone they consider a sister, even when they’re uncertain if they will achieve their goal or not (at least that’s how i understood what “all for a lofty goal i’m not sure will ever come to pass” means. please correct me if that’s not what that phrase meant. english is not my first language.)

say if it was the mc in the saintess’ position, and let’s say mc and yu are lovers, i wouldn’t put it past them to also sacrifice mc even if mc is their lover (since they are willing to sacrifice someone they consider their sister). but would people still like them if they did that to mc, or would people hate them like they hate leon? I’m just genuinely curious about what people’s opinions are.

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He is actually related to the saintess if memory serves like a cousin or something like that and it’s falls in his mind set and he falls in line like the rest of the Arcadians we know to the will that is the leader of the Arcadians.

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yes they are cousins. the saintess’ mother and yu’s mother are siblings. but yu said they consider the saintess as their sister.

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I wouldn’t say Ilya and Saine “let” the MC die, unless what happened in my playthrough depends on your relationship with them. They actually try to save the MC, but either the MC tells them to not try because they’d get in trouble or Ante stops them.

@emjay Note that the Saintess is literally the enemy. They’re representatives of the Jovian Church, the organisation responsible for genociding and enslaving the Arcadians and for illegalising (parts of) the Arcadian religion to the present day (which, for bonus points, has indirectly resulted in more dead Arcadians). Like, it’s really nice of Yu to care, because the standard Arcadian disposition towards any representative of the Jovian Church should be “stab them dead and fire the corpse into the sun the moment you think you can get away with it”, but they’re literally on opposite sides of a war for Arcadian survival.

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yes, but i think you missed the part where Yu literally said they treated the saintess like their sister, and the part where they were remorseful for not doing anything. i don’t think yu considered the saintess as an enemy. also i just realized, if they’re cousins, doesn’t that make the saintess also have arcadian blood??

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They’re not AN enemy, they’re THE enemy - as in, they’re on the other side of the war.

Eehhhhh. Arcadian bloodlines are weird as fuck right now, from what I can gather, after generations of dilution. The Saintess wouldn’t necessarily have Arcadian blood if Yu’s Arcadian blood came from the non-biologically related parent, but I think a bigger point is “how much Arcadian blood do you need to have to be considered to be OF Arcadian blood?” This is a discussion that also takes place in the real world with Native Americans, which the Arcadians are extreme parallels of.

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@JBento I would argue the same for Yu and the Saintess, which is part of the point I was trying to make. It’s not like Yu had a lot of control over the situation and just let the Saintess die either. It’s implied that Yu did think about what to do in the situation, but chose not to do anything in the end. Sure, Ilya and Saine chose to do something but were foiled, but the end result is that both Yu and Ilya/Saine could have done more but for various reasons were not able to or didn’t. That’s why I brought up some of the context around Tahlia being the leader of the Arcadians, the fact that it’s implied most Arcadians are willing to do lots of “bad” things for the cause, etc. You also clarified that further with the explanation about the Church and Arcadia being on different sides.

In regards to the Arcadian blood thing, it seems that being able to contract with those Arcadian gods(?) is a pretty big deal. Then there’s the fact that hey, even if I shared the same blood with Person X as distant cousins or whatever, if person X killed my family, I’d probably be pretty pissed. Or in this case, represents a cornerstone of the faith that triggered a crusade and genocide.

@emjay You got it right, that they’re uncertain if they will succeed. I just don’t find it that surprising myself, because of the reasons I listed above as well as what JBento added and more. I think one of the bigger reasons I listed is just this: Yu’s part of the Arcadian organization now. Even if Yu HAD tried something, what would have happened? Tahlia might do something, nobody else would probably help Yu, Yu risks alienating those around them, etc. And boom goes the capital seems to be rather significant, especially for Tahlia/F/implied others who want to get revenge. Heck, the only reason that MC was brought back instead of Sister was because MC has more potential power… and Tahlia can control MC. Otherwise they were going to bring back Sister, by which you can infer that they approved of what she has done, for the most part.

Comparing Leon and Yu isn’t exactly fair. Leon is the king. Yu is just another employee. They have vastly different resources at their disposal and a vastly different amount of influence. I talked about it a bit in an earlier post - that we don’t get to see the whole picture. Maybe there’s pressure from the Church, maybe there’s pressure from the public, etc, but the gist is, Leon, as King, DOES have the power to force his way for an investigation… he just doesn’t. Yu has the power to… try and change the Arcadian’s minds. Maybe try and save the Saintess alone. Both of which are long shots compared to Leon just going “Hey I’m the King, MC has done right by us for so long, there must be a reason, so I’m ordering an investigation.”

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I’m going to posit this isn’t the reason for the boom. I’m going to even posit that the capital itself isn’t the REAL target of the boom, though “blowing up your enemy’s capital” is certainly a big power move with extreme morale implications.

No, the REAL target were Leon and Saine, because the Arcadians most definitely want to take the magic-cutting sword off the table.

I mean, I think Mireil’s entire plan was extremely fucking stupid, because it was predicated on her LOSING and she didn’t have a prompt escape plan, but I don’t think the capital was the most valuable goal of the whole thing.

This. I mean, I think Yu (and F) is far more than “just another employee”, because she’s a super-powerful mage wtih access to arcana and therefore she has a pretty big status, but she definitely doesn’t have the authority to make any organisation-level decisions, unless she happens to be in the field and she’s team leader (and THAT job appears to be F’s, who, from the hints we’ve been given, is better at field work). She sure as hell isn’t going to go around countermanding Tahlia, if for no other reason than nobody would actually listen to her.

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You’re definitely wording things much better than I am. I agree with what you’ve said. Leon, Saine, the Saintess, and the Saintess candidates would all be caught up in it (Saintess out of commission means that it’s likely that the Church would bring the Saintess candidates over) are are almost definitely the actual targets. Destroying the capital is just a nice bonus. As for Mireil’s plan though, I feel like the original idea was just to do as much damage as possible and then escape, setting things up for a big wipeout of the remaining power structure post war - because most likely, post war, they’d need to gather everyone important to get things up and running again. Dying wasn’t supposed to be part of it. Escape plan - Space manipulation. I think she just got arrogant, along with a mix of other things. Seems to be lots of love-hate going on with MC. So maybe obsessed would be a better word to use?

And yeah, Yu is definitely not just another employee and I was exaggerating the difference in their influences, but Yu doesn’t have any organization wide authority, as you’ve said, as opposed to Leon being king.

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now that i think about it, yu probably doesn’t stand a chance against mireil (i think?) lol

that’s fair

so uh…

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It would be great if the first thing we can do upon returning to Param in Book 3 is say to the white fangs „Hey, I just came back from the dead. Listen I need a really important favor right now can we kill anyone with a drop of Arcadia blood no questions asked? Thanksss“

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Maybe a Leaf‘s End Empire where we destroy both Param and Arcadia

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BCFp

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Genocide is bad though.

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At which point they look at each other, shrug, say “Ok”, and kill you. Again. I don’t feel like you thought this through.

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1: Phantasma
2: Would they?
3: Death isn‘t the worst thing that will happen

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Define “they”. Cause at this point I am not sure about who actually rules Param. We have context for Leon being a dumbass, Ilya is just a pope so I am not sure she can do anything and Saine is just vibing in other kingdoms. There is also Ante but I’m still not sure about her :thinking:.

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You all acting like you are now demi-gods with 5 Phantasmas, but lets not forget that Glyph of Magebane is a thing in this world and if people are prepared for a powerfull mage they can still fuck you up.

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Pretty sure it’s already been said we will have the option to burn the world down. I don’t know why anyone would pretend that it isn’t a realistic option to want to utterly decimate Arcadia. Let Arcadia burn. Turn on them first opportunity. Maybe it isn’t what some people want or would choose to do. But not everyone is pro Arcadia. Not everyone views the church and Param as the enemy. They aren’t THE enemy any more than Arcadia is THE enemy. They are two differing forces and neither is innocent or pure. Enemy as a term is reliant on which side you are choosing. They could all be enemies dependent on the MC’s feelings.

We all have different MCs and as such view circumstances different. Neither is wrong. You don’t have to like it. But it is the way it is.

This is your OPINION. This is how you view the events. You view them through an Arcadian lens. Which isn’t wrong. You are absolutely entitled to view it that way. However, that is not the view through a Param lens. Which would have seen Arcadia as oppressors. Of course Arcadians wouldn’t see themselves that way. Who wants to view themselves as oppressive? Just as they don’t see anything wrong with enslaving the MC. Forcing the MC to do what they want. MC didn’t ask to be brought back. Has no freedom in anything after. They could protect the bloodline without involving MC in forced servitude. Arcadia is all for genocide so long as it isn’t them getting it. They are not innocent. Neither side is innocent. Neither is “good”. If you want to be against Param. Fine. The game is meant that way, but you are wholly incorrect in dictating that your opinion is fact in this. Which is exactly the tone you have been taking.

No, the Arcadians viewed themselves as innocently attacked. Ruling classes never view themselves as anything other than justified and innocent. Would the people who were not Arcadian view them as poor souls who were unjustly persecuted? The people who were not of protected bloodlines and were considered less than? Again, you’re viewing history through a specific lens and ignoring that there are other perspectives. So yes, it is an opinion.
And glaringly biased at that because you ignore anything Arcadia has done and continues to do. Because you want to go against Param. Param must be bad in order to justify things Arcadia is doing. When the reality is that things are no absolute, black and white. There are differing views and opinions on the events.
That is the beauty of the story. Showing that things aren’t clear cut and easily judged.

I absolutely love that you continue to ignore Arcadia’s being completely pro enslavement and genocide. They’re the good guys, so it’s okay to enslave and kill everyone. They were the ruling nation before they were taken down. Their classism was obvious. Their continued views of bloodline superiority. Of course you can justify it because you wouldn’t want to view them poorly. They have power therefore they are superior and must be protected. When it has been proven that experimentation (which they weren’t against experimenting on children, totally a good thing to do amirite) and through other means that phantasms were not entirely limited to bloodline.
Again you can be pro Arcadian. But your attitude is super offensive in treating everyone else as wrong. When it really is a matter of neither side being truly good or bad. They are both guilty of things. Both.

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We have officially become Attack on Titan fandom.

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