A Mage Reborn, Book Two (WIP) - UPDATED August 7th | Book One Released!

I don’t know my mc doesn’t know, but if he had any agency and resources to pursue any of his own project he’d try to find a way.
The only one I can think of currently is deliberately overloading the mana-ducts past the point of collapse. That would leave the mc completely without magic, but it would also force the parasites out or let them die because you cut their sustenance.
I don’t think the author is going to let the mc attempt that one except maybe as an epilogue choice.

The only other possibility seems to be the mysterious benefactor of the weird twins who seems to have a much deeper understanding of the parasites/phantasma than any current Arcadian, even Thalia. Though we’d probably have to torture such knowledge out of them, assuming the story will afford the mc such an opportunity. But maybe, just maybe they do know how to get rid of one too.

By Thalia’s own admission they do make the mc weaker. And there are more than a few hints that even normal magic use is particularly draining and unpleasant for the mc. For other mages using their powers seems both less draining and not unpleasant at all. And that can really only be attributed to the mc having to sustain three wholly and one mostly incompatible, draining parasite(s).

Thalia's admission on the mc's parasites

The priestess notes your pensive silence, but presses onwards. “Alas, for all that Mateus blood runs through your veins, there is not enough of it to sustain four phantasma; and so your mana ducts wither with each calling.” (emphasis mine)

So, yeah, my mc wants to get rid of the damned things as his highest goal at present, even if the immediate one is escaping new Arcadia. Of course now he has to sustain yet another one of the damned things.

Maybe hers provided a more passive boost, like the Wellspring one of the weird twins?

And maybe the mc is/was magically weak enough that she felt she didn’t need it and by the time mc is torturing themselves by using the only one of their damned parasites they can use it may have been too late for her to call on hers.
But my favourite theory is that hers is one of the more passive ones and may have just strengthened her normal magic use in some way since she takes on the mc’s Phantasma “ostensibly” on her own.

What always happens in the mc’s life. The spirit of Augur forces it on them anyway.

Yep, probably only the mysterious benefactor of the weirdass twins still knows that one. If we’re lucky.
Or maybe the mc could create one, given huge amounts or resources and decades of research, but that would at best make it an epilogue thing as much as the other desperate choice.

Well, not necessarily the mc was very much dead and it didn’t kill their parasites, unless they got resurrected along with the mc.

Also Augur is very much (un)dead, yet his phantasma is very much not.

So this again is something the present Arcadians seem to have at best a very feeble understanding of.

Therefore I’d amend this to the knowledge that in certain situations a phantasma can die with its wielder, but that certainly doesn’t seem to be a universal rule. The real question is whether the mc and Augur are the exceptions, or if the modern Arcadians have no understanding of the real rule(s), much like how some of our forefathers thought the Earth was flat and sun revolved around it.

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Sisters Phatasma was the Space-Warp thing, not that it matters, though. Shes dead and since it was established with Ghislain, that Phantasma die with their users if the “unbinding” Ritual wasnt pulled off, it would be dead too. Not to mention that the Roumen, seem to be the only ones who could bound with it in the first place. So the question about the MC’s predictment is more about, do they still know the Ritual to unbound a Phantasma of its user or not.

#I apologize to him.
“My…apologies,” you manage after a while. “I did what I thought was best, but my failure still costs Arcadia dearly.”

    The failure you speak of, of course, refers to the powers of Raegusa, the Earthsworn—one of the most powerful phantasma at Arcadia's disposal. Your death in combat necessarily means that you will take his powers with you to the grave, as no Rite of Parting has been carried out to annul your contract.

literal quote.

Well since MC got resurrected and he is the host, I think it is a given that the Phantasma got back with him too… since they are all still here, eh?

Well it was said that Augur made some special mumbo-jumbo ritual stuff… so… yeah. :wink:

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The wellspring one is active, though. Yu can identify it by name when they use it. I mean, it’s passive in the sense that it doesn’t do anything by itself, but to get the mana boost they still need to activate it.

I don’t think this works. I think it’d just leave you unable to call on them (or, as you pointed out, any magic whatsoever), but I think they work off your bloodline, not your actual magic? There’s a lot of “I think” in that sentence though, so that’s a clear declaration that my actual stance is “hells if I know”.

Don’t phantasma die with bloodlines, not users? I mean, I’m not about to go prying into Sister’s sex life (just typing that is skeevy), but that’s a point to consider.

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In regards to the sneaking bit lol I infact don’t thing that is sneaking just more subterfuge trying to remember what she used to take over the king and his court in salantra but because of that they wouldn’t have outed her.
As to when we see her at the banquet she was actually in disguise by a magical means and it wasn’t so much to speak to the saintess but to get close to the then param king and it’s stated the knights and the like went out of the way to avoid hurting the saintess. So the saintess was the goal in that regards further explanation would be a bit more drawn out and work more as what think was thought process of Miriel lol can’t say for sure who knows might get more info deeper into the game and the follow up game.

As to the willing ness part with the saintess it’s part of the things I would half to replay just to make sure kinda thing. Which I will do anyway but I don’t have a early save to jump back to lol.

Hmm. I don’t remember reading this, but you’re certainly correct that it would change things. In my post I was referring to the Arcadian mindset as a whole, rather than the actions of any individuals, since in every organization people tend to have varying, and sometimes opposite beliefs. I just have doubts as to how closely the leaders actually align to the ideals they espouse, since they had many opportunities to improve the lives of Arcadians, especially since for years they basically controlled Salantria through Mireil, which would’ve allowed them to enact serious change with no one the wiser, but instead chose revenge and sat back and let Mireil do her thing. The Arcadians were wronged greatly by basically everyone, and what’s happening to them needs to change some way of the other, I just think that from a strategic standpoint they had a lot of really good opportunities to make things better but chose not to because they wanted revenge. I’m not defending the actions of their oppressors, since there is no defense for that, just pointing out that the situation isn’t black and white.

You’re clearly quite passionate about Arcadia, and I respect that, I just don’t think that repeating the same acts that led up to their oppression is the best path, especially since the consequences of failure on this path would only bring even more suffering to Arcadians, and leave anti-Arcadian forces feeling completely vindicated. And if they succeed, oppressing the masses to keep them from becoming a threat would only continue this cycle of revenge.

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So I’m replaying with some different choices, and besides managing to save both the children and the whole village affected by the plague (yay!), whoever said the Arcadians were xenophobic you are damn right.

The whole fucking introduction is a red flag. Can’t decide if I’m hearing a group of rebels or a cult (I do, actually, it sounds like a cult).

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You forget that anything amiss would absolutely get obliterated by the Jovian Church and Param. And they DID do things, like granting Thurul independence. The only reason they managed to get away with even that much is that Salantirian annexation was (we’re told, even though what we SEE is a bunch of Salantirs murdering kids) a whole lot more laid back that Param’s.

Unless I missed something, the Arcadians did literally nothing, except “exist” and “be better at magic than anyone else”. They were all in Arcardia minding their own business when the Jovian Church, Param, and Salantir decided they wanted them dead and/or enslaved and on they went.

EDIT: @Gloomcat But all of those things are true, though? Arcadian magic IS better than everyone else’s. The last time Arcadia gave anyone a chance, they got eradicated. Two Paramian kings ago the Arcadians were slaves. One Paramian king ago, a noble slaughtered Arcadian elders and children and was left in charge of a bunch of Arcadians. The CURRENT Paramian king, after learning that someone had unleashed a literal fatal plague on Arcadians, immediately went on to advocate for him. And yes, they let Mireil do a lot of fucked-up stuff, because she was helping them and the fucked-up stuff she was doing was being done to their literal slavers.

You’re not hearing a cult, you’re hearing a bunch of people who were given nothing but death and slavery saying that they don’t want to give the EXACT people who gave them nothing but death and slavery a chance to give them death and slavery again.

Yes, because his entire bloodline is ALSO dead. You have a bunch of phantasma running around now, and I’m pretty sure the Arcadians weren’t wasting time doing the ritual when the Jovians, Param, and Salantira were literally breaking into their homes and murdering them.

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I’m referring to their present day plans to decimate most of the continent’s leadership and everything else that implies, not anything that happened in the past. I think it also doesn’t help that we know absolutely nothing about Arcadia or it’s relationships with its neighbors pre-crusade, since the only firsthand perspective we see in from the actual invasion, with everyone already riled up and in arms. Arcadia could’ve been a magical paradise that made its neighbors jealous, or it could’ve been a magocracy that looked down on those that couldn’t use arcana and the church played on very real concerns that the Parami and Salantria population had to get their crusade. We don’t know. There are history books and old accounts, sure, but they tend to be written with a narrative in mind favoring one side or the other, rather than looking at the situation objectively.

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Ah, I see. It’s true, even the codex doesn’t elucidate us on “what was going on here”. The only piece of info we have from the relationship that isn’t by omission is that the Param king gets called “betrayer” and doesn’t even bother to deny it.

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There is no denying their magic is powerful, but there is a line between being proud of your heritage and dehumanizing everyone else. Arcadians are using the ‘‘us against them’’ Param used when they carried on the genocide. They don’t want better lives for their people, their leader wants to wage a war until there is no other nation left.

There is no solution to this, there is only killing each other until the end of time, and her hand doesn’t tremble to slave one of her own people, nor doesn’t tremble to inspire terror in the hearts of her workers, filling them with cult speech such as ‘‘we will fix you,’’ ‘‘so glad you are not with lowlife common blood anymore,’’ ‘‘you should serve us cuz you are one of us’’. There is no free thinking, no free will, it’s her way or torture. At least when I die the first time I did on my own terms, accepting the fate that killing the Saintess would bring me.

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Then tell me how a Matheus could usurp the Phantasma of an Luccere? (was that the name? xP) I mean he was the LAST of his line and MC is not of his blood.

@Gloomcat

Nice little List.

  1. They are factually not wrong, arcadian bloods mixed with non-arcadians literally weakens their talent… it seems for me more like a practical solution.

  2. Regular Magic is inferior to Arcana, just look what happens to an powered up Ralos, with the most simple spell Mc can cast with his new Phantasma.

  3. Hardly an argument, if your people were butchered by the who knows what. At least from a rational point of view. I mean… do you think the armeniens would trust the turks ever again? Or the jews the germans? insert every genocide you might want to add

  4. As far as we know by now, the King of Param was quite happy with butchering the Arcadians… so yeah… look at good old Leomar… forgives a massmurder … because… reasons?

  5. Not a surprising view, if you look at the history between the two.

  6. Again not surprising, who would stop someone who pins both of their former tormentors against each other??

Well the wording in the quote was pretty clear… if one dies in combat? But I have to agree that his passing was rather uncommon, so meh? We don’t know how many Phantasma are around or were around. So I dont know maybe ask the author? For me at least that passage sounded like the phantasma dies with its host. ~

Btw Ghislain needs at least a statue… not that it would even come close to his sacrifice but man… feel I bad for the guy.

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Arcadians are using “us against them” because that’s how they’ve been treated by everyone else forever. Again, five years ago these people were enslaved and murdered without any repercussions of note. During the actual game, more Arcadian civilians get murdered and the literal prince goes “woah, we can’t be too harsh on the murderer”. If you’re an outed Arcadian, it IS “us against them”, and the “them” have murdered and enslaved you for generations and into the present. There’s three sides in this: the Arcadians, Yutai (not a factor), and Salantir and Param, who are totally cool with treating Arcadians as non-people.

I’m still not sure why we couldn’t spirit gate the hell out of there after doing the deed (well, other than “the story needs you to die”).

Do you mean the Earthsworn whose name I can never remember? It’s pretty explicit that the entire process was very unorthodox, from the Arcadian taking the phantasma’s place to the whole business with the Salantiran. I mean, at one (very long) point literally nobody has access to the Earthsworn.

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You passed out and woke up under a shit ton of magical binds.

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Kinky

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And they didn’t even buy me dinner first. :frowning_face:

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Need her to step on me, bring back to life after burning to death, inject shit into my body to boost my magic, and help me get revenge for my people fr :hot_face:

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Somehow I have the feeling that Saine will join us the next time he sees us, because he is apparently no longer very good at talking to his brother the traitor, and I want to give Ante a free trip to a pyre next time she comes arround😈

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Pity the “contracts” don’t seem to require good-faith or free will of all the parties as the mc was forced into all of his. Which is why the goal of mine is getting rid of all the parasites he currently has, including the new one.
That really would be individual restitution for my mc, and even then only a partial one.

And again very much not voluntary on the part of my mc. Don’t care if the new parasite is actually the one he’s supposed to be compatible with (I guess not since he is of the wrong bloodline). Having it at best at 1/5th of its power is not very useful.

Pity the unbinding thing is another one the few survivors didn’t bother to teach to their kids, with the possible exception of the mysterious backer of the weird twins. :unamused:

Leon has ample flaws, as does Ilya. But then Leon would never have been King, if not for sister, and Julius seems to have been a far better option. Under him things would have gotten, slowly, yes, slowly better for the Arcadians. But sister and Thalia are not interested in slow progress, they wanted war and a lot of power for themselves at all costs.

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The last time we hear of Saine currently does, in fact, make it sound that we’re not dealing with a happy family here.

What we got wasn’t a contract, though. Much like what happened with Earthsworn (and yet completely different), what was done to you, Sister, and Eli was completely off-the-walls bonker shit.

I don’t think bloodline compatibility matters in the Earthsworn case. It did with the ritual thing, but the trick pulled with Earthsworn is a completely different kind of beast.

Does having more phantasmas weaken the power of each individual phantasma?

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It had better be reversible then, otherwise the only way out for my mc really is suicide in the epilogue. As he refuses to play parasite host (and slave) for much longer.
But unlike Eli or sister Thalia doesn’t grant the mc any resources to research their own projects as they are nothing more than a slave.
Therefore the only way my mc might get his hand on some real resources would seem to be to join up however reluctantly with Leon and Param again. As god-empress Thalia would never endorse the mc doing that kind of “research” or having any real resources or power. :angry:

Well it does seem to limit how much the mc can use them, as compared to say Falco who uses his one often, easily and for much longer than the few seconds the mc can call upon theirs. The mc has to wait a long, long time for his mana-ducts to recuperate between each calling and those callings only seem to last seconds at best. So it does limit the power the parasites provide, it may or may not limit the actual power of the phantasma themselves but it sure does limit how much of it the mc is able to use.

So they drain very much and provide very little, or in the case of three of them, nothing at all. So again my mc wants them gone, evicted, whatever post-haste.

The mc can only use two and it is absolute torture for them to do so. For sister using hers doesn’t seem to have been particularly torturous. So the parasites basically force the mc to inflict some seriously unpleasant torture on themselves with each calling, which doesn’t seem to be a particular problem for any other arcanist we have met, Falco, the weird twins, sister and Eli.

The other three function as literal parasites as they contribute absolutely nothing at all and the mc cannot “call” on them.

The weird twins on the other hand were able to call upon a potentially very impressive phantasma for the entire duration of the fight, so minutes at least. That does point me to the mc’s phantasma not “pulling their own weight” for him.

Heh, my mc might, but only if he really stumbles on no other glimmer of hope to ever be rid of the parasites. But suicide is very much harder than it seems and he’d need to find a way with a near certain success rate first if he has to go down that path in the end. Botched attempts don’t end pretty.

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